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Will the Soviets ever rise again?

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Soviet Union to rise again?

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 10 Oct 2010, 16:01
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Post 12 Oct 2010, 01:14
Will the Soviet Union ever rise again?
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 10 Oct 2007, 15:55
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Post 13 Oct 2010, 23:12
No... It's long gone, all that remains is nostalgia. Although I believe Alexander Lukashenko wishes/ed for a union between Russia and Belarus.
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Post 13 Oct 2010, 23:14
Depends on the circumstances.
Russia,Ukraine and Belarus could unite into some kind of a new Soviet Union,maybe joined by Kazakhstan or the "failed state" Stans(such as Tajikistan etc)
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Post 13 Oct 2010, 23:16
I don't believe there will ever be another USSR, although there may one day be another Greater Slavic state, perhaps including Russia, Belarus, and various breakaway bits that would rather ally with the mother state.

I think Ukraine is eventually going to be partitioned between Poland and Russia.
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Post 13 Oct 2010, 23:20
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I think Ukraine is eventually going to be partitioned between Poland and Russia.

How come?
Ukrainians are still more numerous than Poles,have a stronger army and more resources(chernozem for example).
IMO,Ukraine could become a really strong,prosperous state one day.

And Russia has enough of it's own worries:like Chechenia and other worrisome regions.
She doesn't need conflicts with Ukraine.

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I don't believe there will ever be another USSR, although there may one day be another Greater Slavic state

Great Slavic state is a weird,and suspicious looking idea.
Panslavism of such kind was promoted by reactionary czarist regime back in the 19th century.
And,it's impossible to physically connect Eastern Slavs with South Slavs anyway.
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Post 13 Oct 2010, 23:55
Loz wrote:
And,it's impossible to physically connect Eastern Slavs with South Slavs anyway

How? Maybe Romania is in the way? (Do they count as slavs?)
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Post 14 Oct 2010, 00:38
Romanians are (I think) closer to Latin peoples such as the Italians than to Slavs. Although, I think Moldava has some Slavic admixture. The whole of the Balkans is former Byzantine territory.
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Post 14 Oct 2010, 12:03
Order, I have heard somewhere that Baltics and Slavs are not especially distant in terms of gentics. What do you make of this suggestion?
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 04 Jan 2007, 06:03
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Post 14 Oct 2010, 12:05
All people are not especially distant in terms of genetics. Your statement above is essentially meaningless.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 13 Feb 2008, 15:25
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Post 14 Oct 2010, 12:39
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All people are not especially distant in terms of genetics. Your statement above is essentially meaningless.


It depends on how you define "especially distant". Humans and chimps are not especially distant genetically, but we're still classified as two different species. What he said isn't meaningless, but needs to be clarified.

On topic: I think it's possible some kind of pan-Slavic union may arise, but not the Soviet Union as it was. The USSR came into being in a very different set of material conditions to those which exist in the region today.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 11 Nov 2009, 07:13
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Post 14 Oct 2010, 17:30
Voted no, at least not in the same way that it was. Russia might be socialist again, but that is pretty far off
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Post 14 Oct 2010, 17:38
Yes. With that I mean that I'm fairly certain that Russia and several failed states in Eastern Europe and/or Central Asia will embrace Socialism in the future.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 07 Oct 2009, 20:08
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Post 14 Oct 2010, 23:05
Political Interest wrote:
Order, I have heard somewhere that Baltics and Slavs are not especially distant in terms of gentics. What do you make of this suggestion?

All Europeans are closely related to each other, with the exception of the Finns because of their relative genetic isolation.

http://www.beerkens.info/blog/uploaded_images/geneseurope.jpg

Moving on to the question, the Soviets will never rise again due to the conditions of the 21st century. If there is to be another socialist revolution, the organisations would be very different from the socialism practised by the USSR.
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Post 14 Oct 2010, 23:22
No, they won't. Nobody relevant enough wants it to happen, and the chance of a Sovieto-nostalgic revolution happening in all 15 republics at once is minuscule.
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Post 14 Oct 2010, 23:25
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No, they won't. Nobody relevant enough wants it to happen, and the chance of a Sovieto-nostalgic revolution happening in all 15 republics at once is minuscule.

Are you aware of many Russians(and citizens from other ex-SSRs) who want the USSR back?
From what i know,NazBols and KPRF have long been protesting against the illegal dissolution of Soviet Union,agitating for the reestablishment of the USSR.
Sure,it would be impossible to get all 15 republic in the camp,but a "rump" USSR could emerge again.
I only hope that Ukraine and Russia come closer to each other in the future.Belarus,from what i know,is eager to join the Russian Federation.
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Post 14 Oct 2010, 23:31
No, it's not. Belarus wanted to form a Union State with Russia, and they began to form une, but one day Putin was fed up with it and said to stop fiddling around with that federation bullshit and that Belarus could just join the Federation if they loved Russia so much. Belarus refused. And understandably so. Belarus's socialist system would be destroyed if it were to join the RF.
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Post 14 Oct 2010, 23:42
I'm assuming a socialist revolution in Russia before anything else happens.
My impression is that the progressive forces are going stronger and stronger there.
I only hope that Russians will rise against the capital once more.
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Post 15 Oct 2010, 20:14
I don't think so. Actually, I see it harder than a possible reincarnation of Yugoslavia, which is hard enough.

And I don't think that a socialist revolution is more likely in Russia than in any other former Soviet republic anyway. At least not much more.
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Post 15 Oct 2010, 20:58
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I don't think so. Actually, I see it harder than a possible reincarnation of Yugoslavia, which is hard enough.

A new (even if rump) SSSR is more likely than the resurrection of Yugoslavia(which is indeed almost impossible to happen)

Yugoslavia is a special case:
1.Yugoslavs (mostly non-Serbs) voluntarily voted for the dissolution of the common state,while that was not the case in the Soviet Union,where the majority wanted to preserve their socialist republic(from what i know,Russian nationalist voted against the Union).The dissolution of SSSR was illegal.
2.Yugoslavia broke up in blood and ethnic conflicts,while that was generally not the case in the Soviet Union(except for wars in the Caucasus).
3.Communist parties from the ex-Yu area are either nonexistent,or very weak.There is simply no significant pol. force advocating the new Yugoslavia.

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And I don't think that a socialist revolution is more likely in Russia than in any other former Soviet republic anyway. At least not much more.

Why?
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Post 18 Oct 2010, 22:49
Loz wrote:
A new (even if rump) SSSR is more likely than the resurrection of Yugoslavia(which is indeed almost impossible to happen)

Yugoslavia is a special case:
1.Yugoslavs (mostly non-Serbs) voluntarily voted for the dissolution of the common state,while that was not the case in the Soviet Union,where the majority wanted to preserve their socialist republic(from what i know,Russian nationalist voted against the Union).The dissolution of SSSR was illegal.
2.Yugoslavia broke up in blood and ethnic conflicts,while that was generally not the case in the Soviet Union(except for wars in the Caucasus).
3.Communist parties from the ex-Yu area are either nonexistent,or very weak.There is simply no significant pol. force advocating the new Yugoslavia.


I know that. But what ties an Uzbek and a Lithuanian? Much less than the close socio-cultural ties between Slovenians, Serbs or Croats. While in the short, medium term, the reunification of Yugoslavia is impossible, I think that in the long term (and something like this isn't gonna happen anytime soon, anyway) is more likely than re-unite the USSR.


Loz wrote:
Why?


Why would a revolution in Russia be more likely than in, for instance, Kazakhstan? Because the CPRF is the 2nd party in that joke of a democracy which is Russia?
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