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Post 14 Apr 2010, 16:54
I just read that in the US, more people are currently imprisoned than in the USSR during the 30s. Is this verifiable/accurate?
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 22 Feb 2010, 15:15
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Post 14 Apr 2010, 19:19
Uhm, I suppose that it depends on whether is possible to know the number of prisoners in the 30s USSR. A reasonably accurate number I mean. I wouldn't be too surprised, given that the USA have more people in its prisons than the PRC, which is a bit more populated.
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Post 15 Apr 2010, 03:30
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In 1998 the US surpassed the former Soviet Union and won the crown as the globe’s foremost jailer with an incarceration rate of approximately 690 prisoners per 100,000 citizens. By comparison, that is almost 6 times Canada’s incarceration rate (115), over 12 times Greece’s rate (55), 19 times Japan’s rate (37) and 29 times India’s rate of 24 prisoners per 100,000 citizens.


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That was 10 years ago. According to wiki it is now 754 per 100,000 as of 31st of December 2008.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 17 Jan 2008, 18:35
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Post 15 Apr 2010, 12:47
What the frag?

Obama has nothing to do with the high number of people in prison. It probably has something to do with the enforcing of arbitrary laws.

Also, our prisons are much better than those of the Soviet Union.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 04 Aug 2004, 20:49
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Post 15 Apr 2010, 14:19
Stalin was fragging cool too, and had to put up with a large thing called a war.
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Post 16 Apr 2010, 00:09
alot of people are imprisoned for pot. though marijuana was illegal in the ussr too i dont think there was such a large drug war. perhaps there was alot less people smoking pot too. mandatory minimums really screwed over the black community in america. especially since they have unproportional representation in the prison system not simply due to higher incentive for crimes.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 19 Mar 2005, 20:08
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Post 16 Apr 2010, 01:47
Oh god I thought you said a lot of people are imprisoned for pol pot
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 10 Oct 2007, 15:55
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Post 16 Apr 2010, 21:55
The thing is people in the U.S. rob because they have no education, grew up in poverty, forced into crime, or just wanna be cool. In the Soviet Union you had a home, an education, a job. Plus iirc the USSR was much more brutal on wrongdoers.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 28 Sep 2009, 00:56
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Post 30 Apr 2010, 23:19
I don't think it's the number of people that's important, dude - it's the reason they're in there.
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Post 02 May 2010, 12:16
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I don't think it's the number of people that's important, dude - it's the reason they're in there.


Are you sure? Don't you think that having an incredible amount of people in jail shows that something is failing?
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Post 03 May 2010, 08:16
^ this. And the reason most people are imprisoned in the US are for drug-related charges. Some of whom clearly also fit into the political prisoner category. Many black panthers were framed for drug charges for example.
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Post 03 May 2010, 17:32
See that's why they made it so you can't be arrested for having less than an ounce of weed in Massachusetts. Cops are actually happy with that since it means they can focus on legit crimes. Of course there is virtually no crime in my town so cops will still target teenagers.
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Post 04 May 2010, 10:16
Valex wrote:
Are you sure? Don't you think that having an incredible amount of people in jail shows that something is failing?


That would come under "the reason they're in there", if you think about it.

And besides, last I checked, and despite what the teabaggers are saying, Obama hasn't conducted any purges of late.
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Post 04 May 2010, 23:04
Well yeah blaming Obama for the rate of incarceration in this country is pretty unfair. Its the result of imperial capital, defined by existing cultural mores.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 11 Nov 2009, 07:13
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Post 11 May 2010, 05:16
the laws against criminals were before Obama. Also, he lacks the political power to incarcerate people "just cause." I hardly think that this is a testament to Obama's administration, but rather the capitalist system itself and the culture surrounding it.
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Post 11 May 2010, 10:27
Greenanarchism wrote:
alot of people are imprisoned for pot. though marijuana was illegal in the ussr too i dont think there was such a large drug war. perhaps there was alot less people smoking pot too. mandatory minimums really screwed over the black community in america. especially since they have unproportional representation in the prison system not simply due to higher incentive for crimes.




Well damn if their were no drugs there would be no black people in jail "unproportinal representation"( you mean more blacks) in the prison system......... are you stoned.. Skin color has very little to do with drug law enforcement. Granted certain areas are worse with crime thus more law enforcement patrols, but you also need to take into consideration there is just more then black and white in the prison system. I know, I worked in corrections for 5 years.

Secondly,
a lot of people are not in jail for pot, a lot of people are in Prison, not jails (yes kids there's a difference) due to many other crimes like theft, multiple offenders, sex crimes, financial corruption, failure to comply or pay fines. Drug related prison population accounts for less then 20%(even less for Marijuana), at least in my state. On that note it is now a decriminalized thing in my area, carrying a usable amount just lands you a fine unless your trafficking or cultivating.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 21 Dec 2004, 23:53
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Post 12 May 2010, 02:00
Stalin the Ironfist wrote:
Well damn if their were no drugs there would be no black people in jail "unproportinal representation"( you mean more blacks) in the prison system......... are you stoned.. Skin color has very little to do with drug law enforcement.


Race has nothing to do with it.


Expand that to the new racist laws that Arizona recently enacted for immigration..
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