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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 17 Jan 2005, 07:15
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Post 23 May 2007, 21:59
I'm curious to know if your school educational studies regarding WW2 included the Spartacis movement.

I know that Emma Goldman, Rosa Luxemburg and their movements have been mainly kept out of the chain of history in Sweden, but how is the situation in your countries?
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Post 23 May 2007, 22:05
I've never really understood what the Spartacists were.

As for teaching about them in american schools.
They barely teach us that communism was anything more than a murderous pseudo-philosophy akin to fascism. Objectivity is not exactly prised in american public schools.
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Post 23 May 2007, 22:12
Well, roughly saying, the Spartacists was the name of a movement started by Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht after they broke off with the German Socialdemocrats. The Spartacists tried to seize power but were brutally executed and betrayed by the Socialdemocrats who sided up with the monarchs. The Spartacus-movement later on developed to what came to be the german communist party.
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Post 23 May 2007, 22:23
Oh, they're the spartacists? Thanks for informing me dude.
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Post 23 May 2007, 23:14
To indirectly answer your question Fontis, I wasn't taught phonetics. Luckily I was smart enough to realize that certain letters next to eachother make certain sounds. Unlike my peers who read words like they're symbols. Similar to Eastern Asian systems of writing.

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Objectivity is not exactly prised in american public schools.


Nor any public school, like I was arguing with ya'll earlier, the school is incentivised to teach you to be a good little citizen. No more, no less. Did schools teach about capitalism(mercantilism) in a good light in the SSRs?
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Post 24 May 2007, 00:47
I don't know that much about it personally, and there was no mention of anything at all like this in our history text books. We don't actually have a course that talks about WW2 except for tenth grade Canadian History.

Sometimes I think I've been tricked into going to a school for dumbasses , and I'm just one of the smarter idiots.

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I like that movie.


I usually confuse it with Ben Hur, which I've seen too many times (5 times). Ben Hur has no right to be on television, same with Gone with the Wind.
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I hope this doesn't get me banned again-Fontis
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Post 24 May 2007, 09:06
They didn't particularly slant the view of the Spartacists at my school, only the role of the SPD. But they seemed to think that the KPD should have made an alliance with the SPD. (ahah)

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Oh, this is a very bad post... only applies to REALLY old people that saw the Kirk Douglas film.....

It's a classic you bum!
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Post 24 May 2007, 19:09
Fontis,
The spartacus movement was well before WW 2, I can only assume you meant WW 1. The spartacans joined in the revolt of 1918, thus forming the basis for the "stab in the back" claim that Hitler used to great effect during his political career.

Assuming that pseudo-fascism is taught in US schools, this would have been an event of great importance, as it also ties in with the hated treaty of versailles. Someone must have been sleeping

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Post 24 May 2007, 23:51
I know it was before the brink of ww2, usually it comes with a pack - explaining the "Weimar Republic". Or "Mid-war-time" or whatever it's called.

The actual time line is irrelevant to what I asked though
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Post 25 May 2007, 03:47
fontis,
Yes, I was a harsh with you, and I apologize
. In late 1918 the war was going badly for the Germans. In desperate attempt to break the allied blockade, the German navy was ordered out to attack the British fleet in a gesture sure to cost every German sailor his life. Instead of a following through on this "death ride" the fleet rose up in revolt. This resulted in popular uprisings in Bavaria and Berlin (a provisional socialist government was even formed in Bavaria in late 1918). Unfortunately, there were powerful anti-socialist forces still in positions of power. In response, the army and recently demobolized right wing German troops were used to put down these uprising.

These incidents became the basis for some of the more prominent items on the Nazi Party agenda. Namely the "stab in the back" by "communists", which forced acceptance of the "hated treaty of Versailles". Nazi dogma prior to 1932 attempted to minimize the role of the Jews, and instead placed the blame for the loss of WW 1 on communists back on the homefront. This would change radically once Hitler was in power.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 17 Jan 2005, 07:15
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Post 25 May 2007, 10:03
Sigh, does anyone even bother to read the question?


I know what happened, my question was if they include the incident in your school or if it's just another part of history that just "slips by" untouched.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 19 Dec 2005, 16:51
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Post 25 May 2007, 17:00
We never learned about them (I know a lot, but did so independently). I wouldn't consider them part of the WWII curriculum, though, as they were mostly active right after WWI.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 12 May 2005, 13:28
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Post 26 May 2007, 13:23
If I remember correctly from my primary school (haven't gone through 20th century in upper secondary yet) there was one picture of Spartacus league member fighting in Berlin and mention of how Karl Liebnecht and Rosa Luxembourg failed their revolution and were executed, that was about it.
-With solidarity, FC

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