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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 28 Nov 2006, 20:19
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Post 11 Apr 2007, 02:58
Was pornography ever tolerated in the Soviet Union? Who owned and operated the means of production (printing presses, cameras, 'studios', etc.)? How was it disseminated? Did it have a widespread corrupting influence on social morals?
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Post 11 Apr 2007, 03:35
Pornography was illegal in the USSR. Possession could get up to 3 years in prison, or a 300 ruble fine (which was low enough for most people to be able to scrape together enough to stay out of prison).

Soviet social morals were pretty strict, and expressions of sexuality in art were virtually non-existent, at least overtly. It wasn't until 1988 with the film 'Malkenaya Vera' that a sex scene was shown in the cinema. Of course, love stories did exist in huge numbers, and were very popular in music, film, and art -they were just based on romantic innocent conceptions of love rather than on sex. Oh, and 'naturalist' art forms such as paintings and sculpture were also approved -once again just not with sexual contexts.

Edit: Here is a quote from an article on Soviet pornography laws and some of the reasoning behind the definition:


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Commentary on the Russian Criminal Code in 1960 defined pornographic works as ‘rudely naturalistic, obscene, cynical portrayals of sexual life that attempt as their goal the unhealthy stimulation of sexual feelings’. This legal definition of pornography dominated the official commentaries until the late 1980s...

The first thing that leaps out is the word ‘naturalistic’. The intention, although not explicit here, is that realistic portrayals (i.e. naturalistic ones) can be taken to excess, to the point that they destroy ‘nature’ by making it mechanical. For example, the use of ‘plumbing shots’ in pornography, while showing the natural functioning of the sex organs, would be considered unnecessarily vulgar (i.e. rude) in a work of ‘art’. Put another way, it would be a destruction of the ideal by turning love into a physiological function.

The definition also mentions the word ‘cynical’, which keys into a history of Russian religious philosophy. Briefly put, this tradition can be traced back to the writings of Solov’ev, Berdyaev and others who delineate between the eros (the ‘true’ and spiritually beautiful love) and its poor cousin, pornography. Pornography is seen as blasphemy against divine love. It is ‘cynical’ because it degrades beauty and destroys the spirituality of love that gives life beauty. In many ways, this relates back to the criticism of pornography as ‘rudely naturalistic’. Both of these phrases point to a desire to prevent the corruption of the Platonic ideal forms.


->Paul Goldshmidt "Legislation on Pornography in Russia," Europe-Asia Studies, 47, 6 1995
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Post 11 Apr 2007, 03:50
Like Soviet78 said, it was illegal. However, as the case was for many illicit products/goods in the USSR in the later Brezhnev years and throughout the 80's, the emergence of a strong black market made porn available to the general public. Things got worse whence Khrushchev released many of the prisoners from the prisons/GULAGS, many of which were organized criminals who re-energized the Russian underground crime world.
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Post 11 Apr 2007, 04:05
I wouldn't go so far as to say it was 'available to the general public', Besoshvili. Most people for example were genuinely shocked when they saw breasts in a sex scene back in 1988. Of course there would be the serious 'enthusiasts', and they could get their 'stashes', but I have my doubts as to the ease with which you describe access to porn for ordinary people.
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Post 11 Apr 2007, 04:07
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I wouldn't go so far as to say it was 'available to the general public', Besoshvili. Most people for example were genuinely shocked when they saw breasts in a sex scene back in 1988. Of course there would be the serious 'enthusiasts', and they could get their 'stashes', but I have my doubts as to the ease with which you describe access to porn for ordinary people.

I'm sorry, I meant relatively - not like in the U.S. but far more than was accessible than in the past. Also, at least in the Southern Caucuses, I remember seeing prostitutes for the first time openly on the street - much to my parents amazement (and disgust). These same people helped pave the way for the rush of amphetamines into Georgia and the use as a gateway of drugs from Asia to Europe as well. I do not know what it was like in the other republics, but comparatively it was easier. Should've qualified my statements, thank you.
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Post 16 Apr 2007, 20:40
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Pornography was illegal in the USSR.


And they did the right thing. Men and women, and their bodies, ought not be exploited for profit.

I agree with banning porn and prostitution.
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Post 16 Apr 2007, 20:43
Thank you soviet78 and Besoshvili for the answers.
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I agree with banning porn and prostitution.

Seconded.
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Post 16 Apr 2007, 20:45
I don't want to get too far off topic here, but I'm greatly disgusted by the porn and sex-slave industry in Eastern Europe and Asia. They lure young women (and at times even young men) with the promise of gaining an American visa and/or cash, and then enslave them or force them into prostitution or the porn industry.

It's really sick.
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Post 16 Apr 2007, 20:59
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I don't want to get too far off topic here, but I'm greatly disgusted by the porn and sex-slave industry in Eastern Europe and Asia. They lure young women (and at times even young men) with the promise of gaining an American visa and/or cash, and then enslave them or force them into prostitution or the porn industry.

It's really sick.


There will be plenty of room in reopened gulags for these degenerate flesh-peddling bastards when the time is right comrade.
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Post 17 Apr 2007, 02:43
In the movie the Lives of Others (took place in the 1980s DDR) it showed at one point prostitution which the main character, a stasi man. Given the movie was anti-communist, but how reliable is the existance of prostitution in the East?
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Post 25 Apr 2007, 11:34
Erotica and porn were only banned by the time Stalin rose to power (more presicely, 8.7.1935).

I'm against prostitution and pimping, but I'm for allowing porn and erotica.
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Post 27 Apr 2007, 08:44
Of course it was banned... The why is very simple. The women and the men weren't sexually depressed, like we are in the west. Sex was just a simple act like everything else that consern the needs of a body... Women had the same right in sex like the men... So the major party of the citizens had their sexual needs pleased, so there was no need for porn...
In west, like everything else, sex is part of a competion, the price of the man who is "successful"... If you have large wallet you can have all the sex everyday everyhour... If you belong in the middlelow class, the sex is something rare and boring (only with your wife, and at the most you may have also 2-3 girlfriends). So your needs are not fullfilled. So you need porn for it... That's why in the western society porn is so much spread...
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Post 12 Aug 2007, 18:07
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Of course it was banned... The why is very simple. The women and the men weren't sexually depressed, like we are in the west. Sex was just a simple act like everything else that consern the needs of a body... Women had the same right in sex like the men... So the major party of the citizens had their sexual needs pleased, so there was no need for porn...


Yeah, that's true but I still say it's naive to think that people did not crave porn, despite the societal differences. Never ever underestimate the horniness of human beings.
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Post 12 Aug 2007, 18:33
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I don't want to get too far off topic here, but I'm greatly disgusted by the porn and sex-slave industry in Eastern Europe and Asia. They lure young women (and at times even young men) with the promise of gaining an American visa and/or cash, and then enslave them or force them into prostitution or the porn industry.

It's really sick.


Agree completely Comrade. I think our younger comrades need to realize this industry is very destructive and nothing but pure capitalist exploitation it is not art. Even in the US a lot of these girls only start to do it for the quick cash but they start getting a large amount of STDs and then are forced into unfair contracts that basically make them the slave of the industry it is far worse as mentioned in Eastern Europe and Asia. No comrade in their right mind could ever endorse the slave industry.
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Post 12 Aug 2007, 18:37
Art is entirely subjective and just about everything can be art, including porn.

If porn existed and was allowed under socialism those kind of oppressive contracts wouldn't be allowed to exist. Shitty contracts exist in every economic sector under capitalism. Would a comrade oppose manufacturing because of the slave like conditions in the sweatshops of East Asia?

I don't have any problem with porn at all.
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Post 12 Aug 2007, 18:43
Well socialism doesn't exist and Porn is repressive. Art is not subjective even Lenin stated this that the bourgeois have purposefully distorted art there is Proletarian art then Bourgeois art. Porn is a blatant bourgeois subjugation of Proletariat women it is not an artform even the bourgeois admit this.
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Post 12 Aug 2007, 18:51
Then they're speaking for nobody but themselves.

I can't even comprehend in anyway how porn can be anything but art. Art is the expression of one's self and people shagging on camera is self-expression. There is alot of work that goes into the creation of porn, whether the talent of those responsible is generally questionable at best, it still does not mean that their work is not art. There are writers, set-designers, directors and actors, just like any other feature film. Except it's subject-matter is about dick and balls, not the relationship that exists solely for the purpose of dick and balls.
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Post 12 Aug 2007, 18:58
You are obviously a young and immature lad that has a lot to learn.

I would suggest doing a lot of reading before posting such nonsense.

http://www.marxists.org
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Post 12 Aug 2007, 19:01
Perhaps you would like to tell me what is wrong with my arguments then and why I am immature...
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Post 12 Aug 2007, 19:04
Also, I didn't mean to be vulgar before. One thing you must know is I am an uncouth Australian who lives on the border of the outback, my way of talking is basically inbuilt.

Just letting you know despite the fact that we're entertaining an argument right now I mean no disrespect.
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