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12 Sexual Commandments of the Revolutionary Proletariat

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Post 01 Dec 2006, 22:26
Twelve sexual commandments of revolutionary proletariat
Brochure "Revolution and youth", published by Communist University of Ya. M. Sverdlov, 1924
By Aron Borisovich Zalkind

1) There should not be an unnecesarily early development of sexual activity in the proletarian environment

2) It is necessary to abstain from sexual activity before marriage; marriage is to be had only when social and biological maturity is reached (20-25 y.o.)

3) Sexual connection is only a final stage of deep multi-faceted sympathy and attachment to the object of sexual love

4) Sexual intercourse must only be a final link in the chain of deep and complicated issues which connect the lovers during the current moment

5) Sexual intercourse must not repeat often

6) Do not change the sexual object often. Less sexual diversity

7) Love must be monogamous, monandric (one wife, one husband)

8) With each sexual intercourse, it is necessary to always remember of possible birth of a child -- basically remember about offspring

9) Sexual selection must be built on the line of social [class] revolutionary proletarian expediency. No flirting, courting, coquetry and other elements of sexual conquest must be a part of intersexual relationships

10) There must not be jealousy

11) There must not be sexual perversions

12) Society [class], in the interests of revolutionary expediency, has a right to intervene with the sexual life of its members: the sexual should always obey the social [class], never be a problem for the latter, serve it in all ways.

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Post 01 Dec 2006, 23:48
That sounds like what half the neo-cons want to implement.
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Post 02 Dec 2006, 01:55
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1) There should not be an unnecesarily early development of sexual activity in the proletarian environment


People are maturing earlier. What is it now, some girls are sexually mature in 4th grade? IIRC it is because of some hormone in milk or something. Sexual education is a good thing and better when kids are taught some of it early.

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2) It is necessary to abstain from sexual activity before marriage; marriage is to be had only when social and biological maturity is reached (20-25 y.o.)


It is stupid to tell people when to marry. People are different.

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3) Sexual connection is only a final stage of deep multi-faceted sympathy and attachment to the object of sexual love


It is a personel choice when to have sex.

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4) Sexual intercourse must only be a final link in the chain of deep and complicated issues which connect the lovers during the current moment


And will a government agency make sure of this?

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5) Sexual intercourse must not repeat often



Right.

People like sex. People have sex. You can not moderate this unless you live in some sort of dictatorship which moitors every citizen. Also what is (or should be) the punishment?

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6) Do not change the sexual object often. Less sexual diversity


What do you mean by "objects?" Does this mean we can't go anal?

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7) Love must be monogamous, monandric (one wife, one husband)


Olilisk: Public execution of gays!
What should happen when two (wo)men say they love each other? They are wrong?

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8 With each sexual intercourse, it is necessary to always remember of possible birth of a child -- basically remember about offspring


Early sexual education will help that.

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9) Sexual selection must be built on the line of social [class] revolutionary proletarian expediency. No flirting, courting, coquetry and other elements of sexual conquest must be a part of intersexual relationships


frag that. Really. I will love who ever the hell I want to. Why isn't race added?


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10) There must not be jealousy


How do you propose we eliminate a human emotion? Electric shock treatment?

*thinks jealous though*
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11) There must not be sexual perversions


Why?

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12) Society [class], in the interests of revolutionary expediency, has a right to intervene with the sexual life of its members: the sexual should always obey the social [class], never be a problem for the latter, serve it in all ways.


No fragging way. Love is between one and their lover. No one elses opion should matter. Not parents, class, society, ect.

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That sounds like what half the neo-cons want to implement.


I'd go much farther than that. This is some sort of sexual authoritarian dictatorship.

On a leaving note, 8 is the only point I agree with. Other than that, I think this is bull shit.
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Post 02 Dec 2006, 06:10
There is nothing wrong, in my view as regards most of these commandments. This kind of morality is what separated countries like the USSR from countries like the USA, even if it was more true in theory than in reality.

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People are maturing earlier.


But do you think they are emotionally and mentally ready at that earlier age to be having sex?

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It is stupid to tell people when to marry. People are different.


You don't believe there should be some sort of restriction on how young people can marry?

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And will a government agency make sure of this?


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You can not moderate this unless you live in some sort of dictatorship which moitors every citizen. Also what is (or should be) the punishment?


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This is some sort of sexual authoritarian dictatorship.


These are guidelines to sexual morality. The government will do everything in its power (like legal marriage age restrictions) to enforce it. It will not, and cannot, act like some sort of big brother horror state that you are imagining.


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What do you mean by "objects?"


Objects means partners. It means don't act like a fragging slut.

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What should happen when two (wo)men say they love each other? They are wrong?


Not going to argue this as there are already several active threads on the issue.

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Early sexual education will help that.


You need to understand the source years of these guidelines.

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frag that. Really. I will love who ever the hell I want to.


I don't think you understood the guideline. It was about trying to end what was contended to be an element of bourgeoisie morality at the time.
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Post 02 Dec 2006, 06:27
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But do you think they are emotionally and mentally ready at that earlier age to be having sex?


No. One big reason is that the education is not there. Also in America, sex is treated as something evil and a subject that is not really open. Recentaly things have been getting better though.

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You don't believe there should be some sort of restriction on how young people can marry?


When someone is ready to marry they marry, as long as both members of the union agree to it.

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These are guidelines to sexual morality. The government will do everything in its power (like legal marriage age restrictions) to enforce it. It will not, and cannot, act like some sort of big brother horror state that you are imagining.


How could it possibly enforce it? It is like a government saying "no more bad things." It is impossible to enforce with any sort of efficency.

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It means don't act like a fragging slut.


As long as it is not hurting others (and the person with the slut is fine with it) why should they not act like what they want to be? Is it not there choice to be what they want to be (as long as it does not endager those who do not want a part of it)?

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You need to understand the source years of these guidelines.


yeah, how sexuality is viewed has changed a lot since 1924.
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Post 02 Dec 2006, 06:29
Is this a joke?
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Post 02 Dec 2006, 06:43
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Recentaly things have been getting better though.


You support the culture of promiscuity and commitment-free sexual relations?

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When someone is ready to marry they marry, as long as both members of the union agree to it.


So 14 year olds marrying and having a child and fragging up the rest of their lives due to an ill formed conception of consent sounds right to you?

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How could it possibly enforce it? It is like a government saying "no more bad things." It is impossible to enforce with any sort of efficency.


Exactly right. The government would only act within its legal capacity -ex restricting marriage to a certain age requirement.

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As long as it is not hurting others (and the person with the slut is fine with it) why should they not act like what they want to be? Is it not there choice to be what they want to be (as long as it does not endager those who do not want a part of it)?


If you take to be correct a fundamentally passive 'negative' conception of morality, your points certainly make sense. This document proposes a 'positive' conception.
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Post 02 Dec 2006, 06:56
I find the remarks of all comrades besides soviet78 to be either nonsensical or nonresponsive. If anyone has questions in regard to these "points" above by Red Rebel, or would like to reformulate them so as to make it pertinent, I will attempt to deal with whatever the issue has become.
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Post 02 Dec 2006, 07:07
Are these guidlines for revolutionaries? Or people living in post revolutionary society?

If it is the former i agree with most of them excepts for this:

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Love must be monogamous, monandric (one wife, one husband)


The portion inside the quotes should read: (one wife/husband, one husband/wife)

If its the latter (people living in post revolutionary society), I do not agree with many of them. Even though I do not have sex, I beleive people have the right to choose to do whatever they want (sexually) with only a few restrictions: No pederasty, no rape, no exhibitionism. People learn from their mistakes. However I beleive there needs to be much extensive education to stop things like teen pregnancies and aids.
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Post 02 Dec 2006, 11:44
What gives anyone the right to control what other people consent to with each other in private?
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Post 02 Dec 2006, 13:57
I'm not sure about them, I think it could've been simpler. Whether you like it or not the more guidelines that the government tries to enforce, its going to look worse and restricting.

I would say Maturity, Respect, and obviously Caring should be the only positive rules. Be ready for commitment, or be prepared to deal with likely painful situations if you want to have sex casually.

Jealousy is going to happen no matter what. Its not a bad emotion, everyone can want what some other person has. You should try to deal with it rationally, I guess. As long as there is some other positive emotion along with it (like love), its not particularly negative.
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Post 02 Dec 2006, 16:19
Most of those commandments are pretty sensible.

"Free love" and the total casualisation of sex reduces the bond created in sexual relations to the level of a consumer demand item.
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Post 03 Dec 2006, 02:11
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You support the culture of promiscuity and commitment-free sexual relations?


Well, yes. It is up to the couple to decide if they want sex before marriage.

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So 14 year olds marrying and having a child and fragging up the rest of their lives due to an ill formed conception of consent sounds right to you?


Thinking more on it, there probably should be at least a minimum age to be legally married (18 I would say, which would be at the end of high school).

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I find the remarks of all comrades besides soviet78 to be either nonsensical or nonresponsive. If anyone has questions in regard to these "points" above by Red Rebel, or would like to reformulate them so as to make it pertinent, I will attempt to deal with whatever the issue has become.


I really wish I could increase the size of this smiley.


My main point summed up, sexuality should be decided by the couple. It should not have other ideas by a class or government imposed on them.
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Post 03 Dec 2006, 02:26
Finally there is hope for virgins like me!
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Post 03 Dec 2006, 03:08
This list displays little more than bible-bashing "family values" claptrap. It is associated with a long history of Christianity (and other organised religions) perceiving anyone who has sex without the intention of procreating as evil hellspawn, and that sexual pleasure itself is a satanical attribute. Sure, it's been advocated for a long time, but then brutal tyranny and the oppression of the working class has also been advocated for a long time. As communists, we should oppose this.

Communism is a philosophy that loosely corresponds with nature, and how humans operated in their very primitive stages. The socio-political aspects, such as working together and sharing, can be drawn parallel with traditions of tribe members contributing each of their respective skills (hunting, gathering etc.) and then sharing the collective produce for the benefit of the whole tribe. Similarly, for sexual matters we need not look past the natural tendencies in the animal kingdom (which we are a part of). This whole deal of life-long marriage with one partner is not represented at all outside the human race. In the wild, animals reproduce by engaging with multiple sexual partners; taking into account the inherent limitations with regard to gestation periods, this is by far the most efficient way. One would expect our mindsets to have progressed onward from the conservative, bigoted religious views on sexuality. Love, romance, lust and sexual pleasure are all completely natural human qualities which should be embraced by society much more than they are now. "Free love" is innately communistic.
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Post 03 Dec 2006, 16:59
I have to agree with Red Rebel about the no business in the bedroom. I think it only matters that people understand themselves and others.

When and why was this pamphlet written? I don't think it could've had any revolutionary use.

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Finally there is hope for virgins like me!


Maybe this line will work next time:
5) Sexual intercourse must not repeat often

But there's a good chance that, it won't
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Post 06 Jan 2007, 01:58
I agree with these guidelines. I perceive those who violate them to be degenerates influenced by bourgeois norms. The concept of extramarital sex strikes as a custom of the sleazy aristocracy. The proletariat is genuinely disgusted by such perversions.
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*sigh* I have no reason to believe that horny people who have sex a lot with people other than their spouse come from the upper class. Care to enlighten me?

It could be argued that the upper class has more time. But they still work.
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Post 06 Jan 2007, 04:02
I do understand the reason for such guidelines due to the way sex has been commercialized. However, I believe that sex is the most beautiful way of sharing your affection with someone.
With proper education the problem will go away really.

Btw, with this I'm assuming we're living in a socialistic/communistic nation where sex has been de-commercialized.
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Post 07 Jan 2007, 06:39
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It is a personel choice when to have sex.


The proletariat has the right to intervene when there is inappropriate sexual behaviour that fail to adhere to the above guidelines.

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People like sex. People have sex.


Sex is ideal only in legend. In life it attaches plumbing, fluids, gropings, fumblings and pain to what was only an hour ago a platonic ideal.

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No fragging way. Love is between one and their lover. No one elses opion should matter. Not parents, class, society, ect.


This is a manifestation of petit-bourgeois anarchistic individuality. The proletariat has every right to intervene when there is unacceptable conduct.
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