Soviet cogitations: 2858 Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 22 Oct 2004, 15:15 Ideology: Marxism-Leninism Party Bureaucrat
21 Apr 2006, 15:12
I don't trust it much. I certainly won't be satisfied until that prick is on a plane to India or wherever he plans to spend his last days in a mansion, and the people have taken power.
Soviet cogitations: 925 Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 22 Mar 2004, 17:55 Komsomol
21 Apr 2006, 15:13
I wonder if the new government will be strong (legitemate enough) or whether the Maoist guerillas (they are or am I mistaken?) will step in to the confusion and try and grab power.
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Soviet cogitations: 254 Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 05 Jun 2005, 10:51 Komsomol
22 Apr 2006, 00:15
Though I am pessimistic, I hope this leads to the end the kings’ rule permanently. It seems that the people on the streets also want this, but India , the EU and the US only want stability now, even if the Kings still there in some form.
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Soviet cogitations: 2693 Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 01 Mar 2006, 08:59 Party Bureaucrat
22 Apr 2006, 06:37
THE KING ABDICATED? WHERE DID YOU READ THIS??
All I have seen is an offer to leave reinstate the Prime Minister while the king retains his throne and control of the military. That is to say, the status quo of the 1990 Constitution.
It's too late for this option though, the protests have not let up it seems.
Needless to say, the masses have moved way beyond the SPA's (seven party alliance) original demand of reinstating the old government. Now they are demanding an end to the monarchy and a constituent assemby to draft a new constitution.
Soviet cogitations: 2693 Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 01 Mar 2006, 08:59 Party Bureaucrat
22 Apr 2006, 06:47
Here we go:
1. The king's statement. Note it promises nothing new or concrete - no dates, no nothing.
Quote:
Proclamation to the Nation from His Majesty King Gyanendra Bir Bikram Shah Dev
(21 April 2006) Beloved Countrymen,
You are all aware that, given the situation prevailing in the country then, we were compelled to take the decision of 1 February 2005 to set in motion a meaningful exercise in multiparty democracy by activating all elected bodies, ensuring peace and security and a corruption-free good governance through the collective wisdom, understanding and the united efforts of all the Nepalese. By supporting our decision, the Nepalese people made amply clear their desire for peace and democracy and the civil servants demonstrated sincerity towards their duties. We are appreciative of this. We also have high regard for the dutifulness, valour and discipline displayed by the security personnel, upholding their glorious traditions.
By visiting different parts of the country, we made honest endeavours to acquaint ourselves with the hopes and aspirations of our people, mitigate their hardships and boost their morale. We also called on the political parties to enter into a dialogue in the interest of the nation and people afflicted by violence and terrorism. However, this did not materialise.
The ideals of democracy can be realised only through the active participation of political parties. In keeping with the traditions of the Shah Dynasty to reign in accordance with the popular will in the greater interest of the nation and people and our unflinching commitment towards Constitutional Monarchy and multiparty democracy, we, through this Proclamation, affirm that the Executive Power of the Kingdom of Nepal, which was in our safekeeping, shall, from this day, be returned to the people and be exercised in accordance with Article 35 of the Constitution of the Kingdom of Nepal - 1990. As the source of Sovereign Authority is inherent in the people, harmony and understanding must be preserved in the interest of the nation and people in an environment of peace and security.
While safeguarding multiparty democracy, the nation must be taken ahead along the road of peace and prosperity by bringing into the democratic mainstream those who have deviated from the constitutional path. Similarly, a meaningful exercise in democracy must be ensured with the activation of representative bodies through elections as soon as possible.
We, therefore, call upon the Seven Party Alliance to recommend a name, for the post of Prime Minister, at the earliest for the constitution of the Council of Ministers which will bear the responsibility of governing the country in accordance with the Constitution of the Kingdom of Nepal - 1990. The present Council of Ministers will continue to function until the appointment of the Prime Minister.
May Lord Pashupatinath bless us all!
Jaya Nepal!
source: secret, I can't tell
2. The news' spin on the situation:
Quote:
UPDATE King fails to halt Nepal unrest
Kathmandu (dpa) - Nepal's opposition parties plotted strategy Saturday amid reports of new protests after their mass rallies forced King Gyanendra to cede absolute rule and declare a return to democracy.
Initial reactions from the opposition suggested it views the king's dramatic decision on Friday as too little too late and that the 17-day-old general strike and street protests may continue.
Local radio reports said there were renewed demonstrations against the king in parts of the Kathmandu Valley, including the capital, Saturday morning.
No violence developed, but the protestors burnt tyres in the streets, blocking traffic, the report said.
The seven parties that make up the anti-king alliance that spearheaded the pro-democracy movement met separately Saturday to decide their new stands.
source: AP, all over news.google.com, etc.
Note, it's Frag' on in nepal, my sources tell me the barricades are going up all over the city, it's the final push of the strategic offensive, the cities are rising up, etc. etc.
The immediate danger is that the SPA leaders will betray the urban protesters, sign a deal with the King, etc. That is the message behind the recent announcement - an offer of ministerial positions in exchaange for demobilizing the masses. It's not too likely though, because if the SPA leaders do this the masses will merely go over to the Maoists.
The intermediate danger is that the corrupt political parties will derail the constituent assembly process.
Soviet cogitations: 844 Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 22 Jun 2004, 21:01 Komsomol
22 Apr 2006, 17:46
Sounds like he’s initiating damage control and trying to present a model more favorable towards gaining foreign support. But yeah, if people aren’t buying it then he’s in serious trouble. Hardly an abdication though, so this title is misleading.
Soviet cogitations: 4390 Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 16 Jun 2004, 17:30 Politburo
23 Apr 2006, 10:57
Quote:
King Gyanendra's offer on Friday to hand over power to an alliance of seven political parties has failed to quell the demonstrations against his rule, if anything emboldening the protesters still further.
A movement which started out with the aim of restoring democracy has, for some of its participants at least, more radical goals.
"Police and soldiers, you are our brothers -- shoot Gyanendra," one group chanted at rows of padded and helmeted riot police wielding sticks and shields.
Behind the police, soldiers in green camouflage uniforms gripped submachine guns and automatic rifles, with orders to shoot to kill if the crowd broke through the police ranks and barbed wire barricade.
"We will burn the crown and we will run the country," the crowds chanted. "Gyanendra, thief, leave the country."
Sunday's protests were largely confined to the ring road surrounding the capital. Although the road lies within the curfew zone, large stretches are in the hands of the protesters, with burning logs and tyres blocking access to security forces.
In the north of the city, a group of protesters carried a wooden stretcher with an effigy of a dead Gyanendra, ostensibly on its way to cremation.
Others hung a rat from electricity wires, a banner hanging from its body saying "Gyanendra is dead, God is great". In a country where many people traditionally revered the monarch as a Hindu god, the sentiments break a centuries-old taboo.
PARTIES WARY OF KING
On Saturday more than 100,000 people broke into the city centre from the outskirts and police opened fire in at least two places to beat them back. Just a kilometre (half a mile) from the palace, they repeatedly fired teargas at protesters.
At least 150 people were wounded in the police action and a stampede that broke out when the marchers were dispersed, witnesses and political activists said.
Sunday's demonstrations seemed more peaceful, with the crowd mostly content to chant slogans and the police and army content to watch, but determined to block their way into the city centre.
The seven-party alliance which has led the protests has rejected Gyanendra's offer to hand over executive power to a prime minister of their choosing.
The parties do not trust the king, and want the constitution to be changed to curb his powers. That is also a key demand of Maoist rebels who control much of the countryside and entered a loose alliance with the parties last year against the king.
"The king is looking for a safe landing, but what he has offered is not enough," said Naresh Thapa, a 30-year-old driver wearing a blue baseball cap.
Using a special constitutional provision, the king sacked the government and took full powers in February 2005, vowing to crush a decade-long Maoist revolt in which more than 13,000 people have died.
Given the mood on the streets the parties are wary of being seen to compromise with the monarch. They want parliament, dissolved in 2002, to be revived and the army -- which is loyal to the king -- put under its control.
The invisible hand of the Maoists may also be fuelling and radicalising the protests, analysts say.
The seven-party alliance has been agitating since April 6 to force Gyanendra to restore multi-party democracy. At least 12 people have been killed and hundreds wounded in police action against protesters since then.
The impoverished kingdom has been virtually at a standstill with the movement of goods and people blocked by a general strike and crippling street protests across the nation. (Additional reporting by Raju Gopalakrishnan)
Hopefully this is the end of the monarchy. In theory, we would hope that this is February and October is right around the corner - though from what I've read about the Maoists, that's not really what they're planning anymore. The war has taken a toll on them as well.
Could be wrong though.
-TIG
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Soviet cogitations: 146 Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 29 Jan 2005, 16:31 Pioneer
23 Apr 2006, 12:32
Just a few quick questions on all this:
Provided the King does abdicate and turns over power to the seven party alliance. Do you see, or has there been any statements that allude to, the Maoist guerrillas staying with the parties and new parliament and becoming a political party in Nepal, or continuing to push for revolution?
Also, what have the guerrillas said/stated that makes them Maoist? I mean, practically every media source states that they are Maoist, but I've never seen any statements or quotes from the guerrillas themselves that would prove they are maoist. Anyone help on that?
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Soviet cogitations: 10588 Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 21 Dec 2004, 23:53 Ideology: Marxism-Leninism Philosophized
23 Apr 2006, 17:35
Quote:
Provided the King does abdicate and turns over power to the seven party alliance. Do you see, or has there been any statements that allude to, the Maoist guerrillas staying with the parties and new parliament and becoming a political party in Nepal, or continuing to push for revolution?
The Maoist stated earlier this year that they would be willing to work with a democratic system or a constitutional monarchy. So yes.
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Also, what have the guerrillas said/stated that makes them Maoist? I mean, practically every media source states that they are Maoist, but I've never seen any statements or quotes from the guerrillas themselves that would prove they are maoist. Anyone help on that?
Well the believe in the ideas of Mao (duh), a rural insurgency or a peoples war to topple the king, and they reject the People's Reublic of China as not being Communist.
Soviet cogitations: 2858 Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 22 Oct 2004, 15:15 Ideology: Marxism-Leninism Party Bureaucrat
23 Apr 2006, 19:01
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Also, what have the guerrillas said/stated that makes them Maoist? I mean, practically every media source states that they are Maoist, but I've never seen any statements or quotes from the guerrillas themselves that would prove they are maoist. Anyone help on that?
Gee, I dunno, maybe that whole bit about having waged a protracted people's war for the last 10 years might have something to do with it? (excuse the sarcasm )
Soviet cogitations: 4177 Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 18 Sep 2004, 16:21 Politburo
23 Apr 2006, 20:55
They are trying to fight a decade-long People's War to liberate their country, against huge odds. They have better things to think about than website design, Greggers.
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Soviet cogitations: 2693 Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 01 Mar 2006, 08:59 Party Bureaucrat
23 Apr 2006, 21:03
@Potemkin: I know, I was merely making a factual observation, not a judgement.
Here are some footage from the massive protests in Kathmandu this past Saturday, when the marchers broker through the perimeter around the capital proper.
Soviet cogitations: 882 Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 26 Oct 2004, 02:34 Komsomol
24 Apr 2006, 07:20
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Also, what have the guerrillas said/stated that makes them Maoist? I mean, practically every media source states that they are Maoist, but I've never seen any statements or quotes from the guerrillas themselves that would prove they are maoist. Anyone help on that?
This isn't stated, but the Nepalese Maoists display banners of Marx, Engels, Stalin (I think) and Mao. Also, their website shows that they are part of the Revolutionary Internationalist Movement (RIM), which includes the Revolutionary Communist Party (USA) and a number of other Maoist parties.
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Soviet cogitations: 146 Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 29 Jan 2005, 16:31 Pioneer
25 Apr 2006, 19:28
Thanks...except for all the sarcasm. lol. I had always just heard them called Maoist rebels, but I've never seen proof that they were, in fact, maoist; that it wasn't just a media label.
Just wanted to be informed. Thanks.
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21 Apr 2006, 14:55
