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The European Union Proposes To Ban Communism

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 06 Dec 2009, 23:17
Post 15 Nov 2013, 01:23
I’m on record as stating that I don’t think that the European Union is a good idea but they do seem to have come up with something of a jolly wheeze here. They’re proposing that there should be a new law on civil liberties and that this should make it a criminal offence for anyone to propose or promote communism. Which is a slightly odd thing to put under the rubric of civil liberty but that does seem to be what they’re doing.


This comes from the ruminations of the European Council on Tolerance and Reconciliation.

Now this might at first look just like the usual lefty human rights wishlist but have a closer look:

Section 2. Purpose
The purpose of this Statute is to:
(a) Promote tolerance within society without weakening the common bonds tying together a single society.
(b) Foster tolerance between different societies.
(c) Eliminate hate crimes as defined in Section 1(c).
(d) Condemn all manifestations of intolerance based on bias, bigotry and prejudice.
(e) Take concrete action to combat intolerance, in particular with a view to eliminating racism, colour bias, ethnic discrimination, religious intolerance, totalitarian ideologies, xenophobia, anti-Semitism, anti-feminism and homophobia.

That totalitarian ideology thing there. That’s communism (amongst other things) obviously. So the purpose of the statute is to make sure that communism is eliminated. We’re looking pretty good so far. Then we have another section:

Section 7. Penal Sanctions
(a) The following acts will be regarded as criminal offences punishable as aggravated crimes:
(i) Hate crimes as defined in Section 1(c).
(ii) Incitement to violence against a group as defined in Section 1(a).
(iii) Group libel as defined in Section 1(b).
(iv) Overt approval of a totalitarian ideology, xenophobia or anti-Semitism.
(v) Public approval or denial of the Holocaust.
(vi) Public approval or denial of any other act of genocide the existence of which has been determined by an international criminal court or tribunal.

Overt approval of a totalitarian ideology is to be a criminal offence. One to be punished as an aggravated crime in fact. So anyone actually saying, well, you know, I think Trotsky might have been onto something can now be jailed. Which will certainly make student politics more interesting. Here in the Czech Republic the Communist Party just got 17% of the vote in the elections: they’ll all be off to jail then. There’s also a few communist Members of the European Parliament and it will be interesting to see whether they will vote for this. And there’s more to this law as well:

It must be understood that the “group libel” may appear to be aimed at members of the group in a different time (another historical era) or place (beyond the borders of the State).

So anyone who has ever argued that Stalin had some good ideas can also be jailed. And I’ll admit that I’ll be bringing the party balloons along as they march Danny Cohn-Bendit off under this law.

Sadly this proposed law is not actually all fun and games with the commies. It’s actually one of the most illiberal pieces of legislation that any non-actual totalitarian has proposed so far. For what it is really proposing is that the freedom of speech of everyone on the continent of Europe be limited to what certain bien pensants think is becoming for people to have free speech about. Which really isn’t the point of it at all.

Heh, political correctness brought to its logical conclusion.
Although i don't think this will pass, as previous such moves have failed. Even though some EU countries indeed put up bans on communist symbols, display of which is punishable by law just like the display of fascist ones.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 30 Mar 2010, 01:20
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Post 15 Nov 2013, 10:03
I get a feeling intelligence agencies are taking a greater interest in the identity of people who show sympathy for political ideas of this kind than they woud have twenty years ago. Continued econonic disaster and the rapid growth in wealth division means that Communist style ideas could well be on the ascent if the powers that be don't take active steps to completely discredit them. It's a logical move from their perspective. You don't want to get caught between them and their free ride.

As much as I detest political correctness, in this case, I think it's more of a pretext here. Otherwise - why now? Political correctness is more of an actual enemy to Communism from within if the Occupy movement is any indication.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 09 Nov 2011, 20:12
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Post 18 Nov 2013, 14:41
Well, off to prison we go.
I'm sure nothing will come of this, however if the movement grows then I don't for a second doubt it will come to this. I think intelligence agencies are keeping tabs on revolutionary groups as it is. Not because they perceive communists as a threat as of now, but as a precaution for if/when we do become a threat.

At the very least it will separate the liberals and soc-dems from proper revolutionaries.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 12 Jun 2011, 15:14
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Post 19 Nov 2013, 22:43
Whether or not I myself am a Communist, I'd still stand by any Communists who might face such repressive reprisals. I don't think that such a measure will pass though, as Communist parties in Europe have been sharing power in parliaments. Also, if this sort of thing were to go through, I imagine that Communists will simply reinvent themselves as simply being democratic socialists, by self definition.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 01 Nov 2003, 13:17
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Post 20 Nov 2013, 13:16
Who is the European Union to do anything? They are just some bureaucrats in suits in Brussels who think they can rule the whole continent. As far as I am concerned it is time to end this disastrous project.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 14 Jun 2013, 09:08
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Post 22 Nov 2013, 11:44
Political Interest wrote:
Who is the European Union to do anything? They are just some bureaucrats in suits in Brussels who think they can rule the whole continent. As far as I am concerned it is time to end this disastrous project.

Seems others agree with you. Good news for all the nations of Europe. ... trade-pact
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