Soviet-Empire.com U.S.S.R. and communism historical discussion.
[ Active ]
[ Login ]
Log-in to remove these advertisements.

Founding A Marxist School Club

POST REPLY
Soviet cogitations: 53
Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 29 Jan 2012, 02:34
Pioneer
Post 20 May 2012, 00:16
I have observed amongst my fellow students a severe lack of understanding of communism, of course.

I was planning to go ahead with creating a Marxist club to combat the barrage of ignorance encountered in classrooms.

Each meeting would concern itself with learning about past or current communist struggles in different parts of the world, etc.

Essentially a radical study group, open to all whom may be interested.

Would it be worth it to try to create such a group?

What do you all think?
User avatar
Soviet cogitations: 4465
Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 30 Mar 2010, 01:20
Ideology: None
Forum Commissar
Post 20 May 2012, 01:58
It sounds like a thoroughly commendable idea, though the thing which occurs to me is that depending upon how open your fellow students are to words like "Marxism" and "Communism" you might want to disguise your agenda slightly - as soon as you start using those words you are going to alienate a significant proportion of students who might otherwise be receptive to the actual ideas. Another consideration is that using those terms prematurely could open your group to invasion from students who are actively hostile...
Look at it this way... suppose that you heard that there was a club at college forming to learn about Nazism and it's ideas, I don't know about you but I'd be sorely tempted to turn up simply to disrupt the proceedings (at the very least). Sadly, there are plenty people who feel about words like Marxism the way we feel about ideas like Nazism. Or who even equate the two and are not the least bit open to discussion or new ideas on the matter.

That's just a couple of things which occur to me, but I wish the venture all the best however you decide to run with it.


Actually, what country are you talking about? You're in the USA - is that correct?
Soviet cogitations: 53
Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 29 Jan 2012, 02:34
Pioneer
Post 20 May 2012, 11:14
Yes, I live in the United States.

Some students whom do know that I at least have a passing interest in Marxism seem to either view it in an open-minded manner(IE wanting to know more), or are narrow-minded. To tell one the truth, most people I've met who fit these two descriptions don't seem to know enough about Marxism to really judge it, beyond what they've been told(everyone is the same, the janitor gets paid the same as the doctor, etc.).

I feel that in being a Marxist, should I not leave school knowing that I at least educated some people about what Marxism really is?
User avatar
Soviet cogitations: 10776
Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 21 Dec 2004, 23:53
Ideology: Marxism-Leninism
Philosophized
Post 22 May 2012, 04:12
A good friend started a leftist study/discussion group in college. It was called the Leftist Symposium (I highly suggest calling the club the League of Leftists or LoL for short
). Given that the goals are centered around education, I'd suggest broadening the club to leftist in general. Having folks with anarchist or social democratic tendencies together with Marxists at least does a good deal to promote discussion and learning.
Image

"By what standard of morality can the violence used by a slave to break his chains be considered the same as the violence of a slave master?" - Walter Rodney
Soviet cogitations: 53
Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 29 Jan 2012, 02:34
Pioneer
Post 22 May 2012, 11:39
I have, just FYI, met students whom are openly hostile to any left-wing ideology or beliefs. It mostly tends to be the conservative-types who act this way, and although they don't explicitly know that I am a communist, would rather I not be one lest I be ostracized.

I'm afraid of starting a leftist-group only for that reason. As of now I haven't been horribly mistreated (yet), but some students I know do show a fondness towards blatant hatred towards communism, whose reasons are they own and that I do respect.

I do understand that communism is at least where I'm from, universally-loathed.

Every time students do try to find out more about my believes, I can't say 'yes.' I lie (not very well) and then freeze up out of fear of being hated. Any advice?
User avatar
Soviet cogitations: 10776
Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 21 Dec 2004, 23:53
Ideology: Marxism-Leninism
Philosophized
Post 24 May 2012, 04:57
I'm not going to say you should not form the club. Yes, you will more than likely get shit from a lot of people. Many who simply state quick one line insults without lisening to you opinions. On the other hand there are people who are interested in joining you in discussion and having a frank open conversation about capitalism and socialism.

From my own personal experiences, ignore the first group (or get good with one line witty insults and ignore their argument) and do not lie to the second group.
Image

"By what standard of morality can the violence used by a slave to break his chains be considered the same as the violence of a slave master?" - Walter Rodney
User avatar
Soviet cogitations: 17
Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 10 Jul 2012, 06:55
Ideology: Maoist
New Comrade (Say hi & be nice to me!)
Post 12 Jul 2012, 07:38
You should form the club, but make sure that you understand theory first. I tried something like this, but I didn't know anything about theory at the time and it failed miserably. Just make sure that you have at least five dedicated individuals, other members who may or may not become dedicated, a place to meet, some books on theory, and a knowledge of theory.
"Dialectical materialism works like cocaine, let's say. If you sniff it once or twice, it may not change your life. If you use it day after day, though, it will make you into an addict, a different man." -Nicolae Ceauşescu
Soviet cogitations: 53
Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 29 Jan 2012, 02:34
Pioneer
Post 12 Jul 2012, 13:32
Zhelovski wrote:
You should form the club, but make sure that you understand theory first. I tried something like this, but I didn't know anything about theory at the time and it failed miserably. Just make sure that you have at least five dedicated individuals, other members who may or may not become dedicated, a place to meet, some books on theory, and a knowledge of theory.


My knowledge on Marxist theory is pretty good after about two years of studying Marxist history, politics, theory, etc.

As for getting the club off the ground, I think I can handle that.

The hard part will be explaining, possibly on the first meeting, what Marxist-socialism is. A lot of people believe that Europe is genuinely socialist, hence the antagonism towards any variety of socialism, be it social-democracy or Marxist-socialism.

The point of this club is to inform, and also to entertain(it is a social event after all).
User avatar
Soviet cogitations: 3711
Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 07 Jul 2006, 04:49
Ideology: Juche
Old Bolshevik
Post 12 Jul 2012, 23:36
One thing that I think should be emphasised is telling club members about what Dialectical Materialism is and how it works in simple terms.
User avatar
Soviet cogitations: 341
Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 07 Mar 2003, 02:29
Komsomol
Post 14 Jul 2012, 04:29
I suggest trying to get in touch with the students you think would be most interested or sympathetic (or at least interested in taking it seriously).

Start with something basic like reading the Communist Manifesto
Image
[+-]
User avatar
Soviet cogitations: 3618
Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 22 Oct 2004, 15:15
Ideology: Marxism-Leninism
Politburo
Post 29 Jul 2012, 14:10
Reading and talking about theory together is nice, but why not try to organise students along the lines of their own interests and take it from there?
Soviet cogitations: 53
Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 29 Jan 2012, 02:34
Pioneer
Post 29 Jul 2012, 15:09
Quote:
...but why not try to organize students along the lines of their own interests and take it from there?


That's what I plan to do. I'm in contact with various radical organizations, such as Students For A Democratic Society(S.D.S.), and plan to go on from there.

I also have a notion of getting (high) school campus workers interested(janitors, other non-teaching staff) in socialism, and am curious to learn of their mindset towards socialist ideology(negative or positive?)

Also, I've found that bringing in food on the first day is a great way to get non-committed yet interested people to come. You cannot beat free food.
User avatar
Soviet cogitations: 341
Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 07 Mar 2003, 02:29
Komsomol
Post 29 Jul 2012, 16:02
Also are there any socialist/communist/anarchist groups in your city? If so, I suggest getting a hold of them and seeing if they can at the very least share their experiences with you.

And yes free food is fantastic. A group I was once involved with offered free pizza to folks who would attend a presentation and our attendance was needless to say quite superb.

And in terms of just asking custodial staff what their opinions are on socialism, it may be more valuable to first find out if there is union representation for them first. If they are non-union, they would be even less likely to help with or attend socialist meetings (granted the overall task will be much harder than you think unfortunately)
Image
User avatar
Soviet cogitations: 4
Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 03 Oct 2012, 01:07
Ideology: Democratic Socialism
New Comrade (Say hi & be nice to me!)
Post 03 Oct 2012, 01:59
These are all incredible ideas however, I cannot stress enough that if you decide to study the Communist Manifesto with your colleagues, make sure everyone in the group understands the thought and literary usage from Marx's time and those associated with him (Lenin, Che, Etc.) I.e. The "Dictatorship of the proletariat" Being a widely misunderstood phrase. Just some food for thought.
Also, I think having a social club like that would be great! We need more Marxists out there! especially now, more than ever.
"The life of a single human being is worth millions of times more than all the property of the richest man on earth.” - Ernesto "Che" Guevara
Soviet cogitations: 53
Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 29 Jan 2012, 02:34
Pioneer
Post 28 Oct 2012, 11:34
Quote:
make sure everyone in the group understands the thought and literary usage from Marx's time and those associated with him...


The best way I believe that I can explain the dictatorship of the proletariat to other, non-Marxist students in simple terms is that it's democracy for the majority and not "democracy for the wealthy."

I'll start on the first meeting by briefly bringing up Marx, as well as more "common," "positive" Marxists such as Che Guevara and such.

Many Marxists, be they Mao Zedong or Fidel Castro, are hard to talk about in a positive light esp. to students new to Marxist thought.

Quote:
We need more Marxists out there! especially now, more than ever.


Agreed. Esp. student-Marxists like myself and/or others who are trying to introduce people/students to Marxist ideas.

Early on I became a big believer in organization-be it a club/group or a party. Great ways to get people together in one room, which is my main goal.
Alternative Display:
Mobile view
More Forums: The History Forum. The UK Politics Forum.
© 2000- Soviet-Empire.com. Privacy.
cron