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Should you "live" Marxism?

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 30 Aug 2008, 18:12
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Post 16 Mar 2012, 22:40
Basically the notion of living frugally and working boring low-paid jobs because you are a Marxist. Should you reject well-paying jobs etc?

I feel that it ultimately depends on your connections to the workers' movement. Marxism is not supposed to be a lifestyle and thus shouldn't stop you from taking a well-paid job (you could then even donate much of your nice salary to a Marxist movement). However, workers aren't going to take you seriously if you talk about socialism while you pocket a huge pay cheque from the bourgeoisie.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 04 Aug 2004, 20:49
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Post 16 Mar 2012, 22:42
What on earth does income have to do with property and social relationship to capital and the ruling class?

Do you want us to become like the 4 Yorkshiremen sketch to be credible?
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Post 17 Mar 2012, 00:25
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What on earth does income have to do with property and social relationship to capital and the ruling class?

Do you want us to become like the 4 Yorkshiremen sketch to be credible?


That might actually make us more popular; if only for entertainment value


It's more the idea that the workers won't take seriously someone who says he is on their side and wants to end bourgeois rule when he himself is earning much more than them thanks to capitalism.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 20 Jul 2007, 06:59
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Post 17 Mar 2012, 01:44
I think that this quesiton is to be answered personally, or rather it is a question that shouldn't even arise at all. It's a matter of your commitment and your engagement to a cause. If it's assumed as a guiding principle, as a perspective with its set of values which you share, then how you live it, how it transforms your life, is something that answers itself. Nobody will tell you how to live it, because they will only see the external things.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 19 Mar 2012, 00:06
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Post 31 Mar 2012, 12:47
I take the bus. I clean my house unlike other neighbours who leave them to cleaners. I use recycled bags. I don't go to dance clubs. I read books instead. I don't go to church. They only siphon your savings. I work in storage room. I declared the warehouse 'my own kingdom' where nobody bothers me while I do all the filing of file folders. Manual labour all the way...although I get a 1 dollar/hour raise per year. I deserve it. I don't drink alcohol. Bourgoise invention or culture! I drink milk. I tend a garden at the back of my apartment. My own 'private plot'.
I plant eggplants and tomatoes and share them with my neighbours..
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 21 Dec 2004, 23:53
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Post 02 Apr 2012, 01:52
EPC wrote:
What on earth does income have to do with property and social relationship to capital and the ruling class?


This. Marxism is a way of interpreting the world, not a life style.

I'd argue you should "live" communism though and I interpret that as fighting for a better world for the working class and oppressed peoples.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 13 Apr 2012, 21:28
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Post 13 Apr 2012, 21:55
Communism isn't a lifestyle.

Engels owned a factory and hence was part of the Bourgeoisie, that doesn't mean he wasn't one of the greatest Revolutionaries of all time.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 24 Feb 2012, 23:00
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Post 14 Apr 2012, 00:42
True, Lenin came from a middle class family and that didn't stop him from becoming the greastest revolutionary leader in the 20th century.
“It is better to die standing than to live on your knees.“-Che Geuvara
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 30 Mar 2010, 01:20
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Post 14 Apr 2012, 02:02
You can go too far in that direction though...

While it might not be necessary to live like some spartan, becoming a brand slave and fully fledged consumerist retard sporting designer brands hardly sends an appropriate message.

I'd have serious doubts about the IQ of anyone who was too impressed by that sort of thing in the first place.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 13 Apr 2012, 21:28
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Post 14 Apr 2012, 02:20
Shigalyov wrote:
You can go too far in that direction though...

While it might not be necessary to live like some spartan, becoming a brand slave and fully fledged consumerist retard sporting designer brands hardly sends an appropriate message.

I'd have serious doubts about the IQ of anyone who was too impressed by that sort of thing in the first place.


Consumerism is a product of Capitalism, not of low IQ.

I know simple yet dumb people in my life.

On the other hand even the brightest minds can be Poisoned.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 30 Mar 2010, 01:20
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Post 14 Apr 2012, 03:08
I was being a bit flippant, but I must say that it seems to me that anyone who is overly impressed by brand names and celebrity culture is a little lacking in the intellect department.

You need a little strength of character to not let yourself get sucked into all that nonsense.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 14 Sep 2011, 11:23
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Post 14 Apr 2012, 07:11
Red Rebel wrote:
This. Marxism is a way of interpreting the world, not a life style.

On the other hand, is mostly a way of changing it.

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