Are there any signs that voters for "socialist" Hollande could switch to Melenchon soon?
No, very few. It would be very difficult for Mélenchon to take 5 points over Hollande. People are idiots, they don't understand that Holland's programme means also austerity.
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I'm curious about your opinion on this piece, which was translated and published on the website of the NCPN:
Quote: Rest: http://zzs-blg.blogspot.com/2012/04/is- ... -back.html Quote: This isn't entirely true. The PCF was a very good friend of the USSR until the end. We never totally entered eurocommunism, and Georges Marchais even supported the invasion of Afghanistan, which was a big mistake. Quote: This is coarse. There was no socialist party in the 1960s. The socialist party was created in 1971. The PCF supported Mitterrand for the 1965 presidential election because they didn't understood the importance of this new election which didn't existed before De Gaulle changed the constitution. At that time, Mitterrand didn't represented anything. In the 1970's the Communist party organized the "Left union" with the Socialist Party. When Mitterrand was elected in 1981, his programme was mostly written by the French communist party. Quote: Any intelligent communist would have tried to earn respectability. Lenin did so with the peasantry. The problem is that Georges Marchais revised Marxism. In 1976 he abandoned the dictatorship of the proletariat. Quote: The French communist party wasn't a soviet party, this statement is ridiculous. We had our own history and we even defended Stalin much longer than the Soviet party did. So there are no lessons to give. Quote: Decline is not due to compromise. Why do you think the French communist party is one of the last communist survivors in Europe ? The French CP had to do some compromises. Mitterrand, of course, was a mistake, because the communist party was already declining (not the contrary !). It meant that we didn't had the force to control Mitterand. So, when he was elected, he betrayed us. But we didn't had much choice. Had we broken the Left union, what would have happened? People would have criticized us for breaking the alliance and helping objectively Giscard d'Estaing. Quote: Indeed. Quote: We must be very cautious with Pierre Laurent and Marie-George Buffet. They are not marxists, they never opposed openly to Robert Hue. Robert Hue thought that the PCF should disappear, and after Buffet's failure, there was a vote. We protected our party against the right wing, and Robert Hue left it. But it must not be forgotten that Pierre Laurent defended the dissolution. Many members of the party, especially from the left wing, feared that Laurent and Buffet would try to dissolve the party through the Left Front, like in Germany. What will happen after the presidential election? I don't know, some comrades believe that the different parties in the Left Front will unite in a new party. Quote: I totally agree. ![]() "Mao was just a degenerated Trotsky." Dagoth Ur
Tomorrow.
![]() "Mao was just a degenerated Trotsky." Dagoth Ur
There is already some very positive news coming from our islands.
![]() "Mao was just a degenerated Trotsky." Dagoth Ur
Do you mean the French overseas territories in the Pacific etc?
BTW how did they vote?
In what way, even French Guiana can't have results yet, surely?
The moment one accepts the notion of 'totalitarianism', one is firmly locked within the liberal-democratic horizon. - Slavoj Žižek
They vote one day before we do.
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Damn, the Exit Poll has Le Pen on 20% and Mélenchon on only 11.5%.
I know intention polls tend to underestimate the far-right vote (due to people not wanting to admit to being a fascist sympathiser) but what the hell happened? The moment one accepts the notion of 'totalitarianism', one is firmly locked within the liberal-democratic horizon. - Slavoj Žižek
I don't know. Wait and see. This is a very good film.
In 2007, the fascist vote was over-estimated. ![]() "Mao was just a degenerated Trotsky." Dagoth Ur Whitten wrote: Immigration is a much bigger issue in France and Sarkozy's race-baiting strategy backfired. I had a feeling that Mélenchon's high popularity was hype. The FN tend to perform poorly in the National Assembly elections and it would be alarming if they made gains there. The far-right tends to perform poorly five years after relative success but if they manage to repeat this success in 2017, it would be alarming indeed. Last edited by Tails on 22 Apr 2012, 19:46, edited 1 time in total.
There are no libertarians in dumpsters.
This is a rather sad development in my opinion.
In the times of horrible attacks on the working masses, Melenchon got less votes than the far-Right, and was beaten by neoliberal "Socialists". Makes you wonder about the future of our movement... Loz wrote: I already expect that . The best candidates for France lost : Melenchon Melenchon never had the chance to win since the system doens't want that. It's sad to see if all people from FN vote in Sarkozy he will win :S ![]() Economic Left/Right: -8.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.82
There are too many left-to-Hollande candidates and only one right-to-Sarkozy candidate. Besides, when the difference between the two center candidates is too narrow the so called "useful vote" tends to damage all the other candidates of the same wing. This "useful vote" was specifically harmful for the left in this election because the french left-wing electorate wants to make sure that Sarkozy doesn't get the second term.
"If I could control Hollywood, I could control the world." -Joseph Stalin
Quote: Not really, since in 2007 the French communist party received less than 2%. If you add the left-wing and trotskyists candidates, you had about 9%... So we are increasing our forces. This is a great victory for fascism, but a victory for us also. Even if we expected more than that. Quote: In this election Mélenchon gathered most of the left-to-Hollande voices. ![]() "Mao was just a degenerated Trotsky." Dagoth Ur
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 15 Jul 2009, 21:32 Ideology: Democratic Socialism Pioneer
The communist vote almost doubled since the 2010 local elections, I'd call that a victory.
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