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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 24 Feb 2012, 23:00 Ideology: Other Leftist Pioneer  14 Mar 2012, 22:19
This is for all former Soviet and Yugoslavian citizens.
“It is better to die standing than to live on your knees.“-Che Geuvara
14 Mar 2012, 22:25
If you went to the past wouldn't you still have to see the USSR destroyed? I'd choose now if that's true of this hypotheitcal.
 لَا إِلٰهَ إِلَّا الله مُحَمَّدٌ رَسُولُ الله - يا عمال العالم اتحدوا
Soviet cogitations: 86
Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 24 Feb 2012, 23:00 Ideology: Other Leftist Pioneer 14 Mar 2012, 23:04
sorry if i didn't word it right as in life now under past socialism as it was or now under the current system. My bad!
“It is better to die standing than to live on your knees.“-Che Geuvara
14 Mar 2012, 23:09
There aren't so many Soviets and Yugoslavs here, but I chose then. Actually I can't imagine many progressives globally who don't regret the lack of a socialist superpower, whatever their concerns about its quirks or problems. Of course we also have to be careful not to base choices merely on something like material or cultural progression with things like computers, cell phones, and the internet, and music, clothing, and filmmaking styles, given that if you chose 'then' and the system wasn't destroyed most of those things would appear in some form in the USSR as well at some point.
As an aside, we've already had a discussion about how the internet might have looked in a USSR that remained socialist and lived on into the 21st century. Some had come to the conclusion that there would have been two separate internets -Eastern Bloc and Western Bloc. Others postulated that there would probably be a single global internet where a massive information war would be waged by governments online to influence each other's citizens. "The thing about capitalism is that it sounds awful on paper and is horrendous in practice. Communism sounds wonderful on paper and when it was put into practice it was done pretty well for what they had to work with." -MiG
14 Mar 2012, 23:37
Then. Might at least try to produce a happy end for the Eastern Bloc.
15 Mar 2012, 02:36
Then,of course.
Life in Yugoslavia in the 80s was pretty sweet from what i heard. Despite (or because of?) the fact that everything was falling apart. 15 Mar 2012, 20:58
Then: ('S long as we're talkin' Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, the USSR or East Germany and not, say, North Korea )
The Eastern Bloc had issues, yeah: But it could have been pretty much fixed with limited and moderate reform. Today's problems are actually much harder to solve: We've got to overthrow the bourgeoisie again, for starters (probably goin' through a coupla civil wars and other periods of struggle in the process). Getting some more consumer goods, less censorship and more progressive social policy (gay rights etc.), while not easy, sounds like a much less daunting task in comparison. Cm'on baby, eat the rich!!! - Motörhead
15 Mar 2012, 21:35
Quote: I don't think most Left-Coms would agree with you on this issue though. IMO that they would have demanded much more radical changes in many other ways. 15 Mar 2012, 22:09
Yeah, sure, but getting inner-party democracy, freedom of organization and agitation for all working class socialist groups, getting direct Soviet rule and Soviet democracy going would've been much harder... I'd say making Soviet people happier was a more pressing issue from the point of stability and preserving the gains of socialism.
Structural Left Com reforms were both harder and less urgent . Cm'on baby, eat the rich!!! - Motörhead
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