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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 18 Nov 2011, 06:40
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Post 18 Nov 2011, 06:47
Hello... I'm not a Communist. I'm a fan of modern and Imperialist Russia, but I also have a fascination with the USSR. Anyway, I'm mainly here to observe, learn what I can, and perhaps interact with and make friends with others who are not Russo-phobes.


Пока!
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Post 18 Nov 2011, 06:48
Ok, welcome. Read forum rules, behave, have fun.
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Post 18 Nov 2011, 07:24
Ok, so just one question... Why can't my name be in Cyrillic letters in the Soviet Empire?


Otherwise... Very cool site! Kudos to whoever created it.
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Post 18 Nov 2011, 07:36
That would be Fox who created it. About 11 years ago. Its an english only site. Having cyrillic letters in user names impares moderation.
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Post 18 Nov 2011, 07:37
Privet, comrade! Welcome to S-E. Are you from Russia?
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Post 18 Nov 2011, 07:45
Ok, thank you Chaz. I understand your reasoning.

Khlib - No, I am not Russian. I'm 100% pure red blooded American. I just have a different opinion about the USSR and Russia than most other Americans. I do happen to speak some Russian though.
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Post 18 Nov 2011, 08:03
Just one more observation... Mosfilm put out some really excellent stuff. Why isn't there a forum to discuss old Soviet era movies & television programs? Just an idea...
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 24 Oct 2011, 08:59
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Komsomol
Post 18 Nov 2011, 09:08
Ya_Amerikanyets wrote:
Just one more observation... Mosfilm put out some really excellent stuff. Why isn't there a forum to discuss old Soviet era movies & television programs? Just an idea...


There is, it is in the Propaganda section as a topic thread or three. Welcome to S-E, Товарищ.
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Post 18 Nov 2011, 10:55
Privet Amerikanets.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 04 Jan 2003, 15:32
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Post 18 Nov 2011, 11:39
Ya_Amerikanyets wrote:
Just one more observation... Mosfilm put out some really excellent stuff. Why isn't there a forum to discuss old Soviet era movies & television programs? Just an idea...


Why not indeed?
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Post 18 Nov 2011, 17:08
Спасибо, всёх! Очень рад познакомся!

Thanks, everyone! Pleased to meet you all. Thanks for the warm welcome!
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 11 Nov 2009, 07:13
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Post 18 Nov 2011, 17:11
Quote:
I'm 100% pure red blooded American

What American Indian tribe are you from?

Welcome to S-E.
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Post 18 Nov 2011, 17:23
I have Cherokee and Blackfoot. I suppose you meant that sarcastically, however.


I meant that I was born here with no Russian DNA of course. My Native blood is pretty watered down. I'm what you might call a 'card carrying indian.'
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Post 20 Nov 2011, 01:40
Welcome to S-E Ya_Amerikanyets


Hope you like the forum.

You don't have to be crazy ... er communist to post on S-E, but it helps.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 18 Nov 2011, 06:40
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Post 20 Nov 2011, 04:32
hahaha, thanks!

Crazy? Maybe...


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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 29 Jul 2011, 11:37
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Post 06 Dec 2011, 17:21
Here is my reply to this man that I didn't get to post before this viewtopic.php?f=129&t=51848 was locked:

Neuron wrote:


I already said these are *my views* and that I concede they could be wrong. As such, what I said was SUBJECTIVE. I have nothing against people who grew up in/lived under Communist rule. It's the idea of dictatorship and the murders & genocides that seem to go hand and hand with Socialism and Communism that I have a problem with. I can cite instances of this all day long, so don't jack with me, Komrade. Khmer Rouge was just one example, what about the genocide in Ukraine, the Russian Gulag, the death of the Romanov's, the murder of Trotsky, all of Mao's murders, and that's just Communism. We can go to the other end of the scale to Fascism, and point out all the dead Jews, homosexuals, gypsies, mentally unstable people, and whoever else was deemed unworthy that got shoved into ovens



You capitalists have murdered an entire continent (America). There was no genocide in the Ukraine, there was a famine all over the USSR in 1932 and it was strongest in the Russian majority territories of Eastern Ukraine and Kazachstan. Even in Moscow, death rate doubled. You capitalists tested syphilis on humans, invaded hundreds of countries , supported puppet regimes that killed millions and run an apartheid state well into the 1960s. Gulag? Is that what are you so afraid of capitalists? Being forced to actually work? While Churchill was making his "heroic" hypocritical WW2 speeches, 2-4 million people starved to death in Bengal. From chronic poverty and starvation, about 100 million people starve per decade in India alone. 14 million people per year starve per year, that is, about 40000 per day. And you, as a hardcore Zionist, are a hypocrite for even caring about murder as the followers of your ideology are currently the one commiting murder. Mao murdered a lot of people, he also doubled life expectancy and ended famine in China - the only famine happening under Mao had a morality rate the same as China every year before 1949, because there always was a famine in some provinces every year and the life expectancy of 35. In 1976, it was 62.

And please stop with this Pol Pot bullshit. The king Leopold in the 19th century killed 10-30 million people in the Congo, how? By keeping the country as his private property and keeping the entire population enslaved in what was basically an open air rubber harvesting slave/death camp, with soldiers cutting off hands of those who did not comply.

You capitalists killed more people than Hitler, Stalin, Mao summed. It always pisses me off to the point of hatred that those with the bloodiest hands pretend their are clean and only "totalitarian" (read: non-liberal) ideologies kill people.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 18 Nov 2011, 06:40
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Post 06 Dec 2011, 17:30
Neuron wrote:
Here is my reply to this man that I didn't get to post before this viewtopic.php?f=129&t=51848 was locked:

You capitalists have murdered an entire continent (America). There was no genocide in the Ukraine, there was a famine all over the USSR in 1932 and it was strongest in the Russian majority territories of Eastern Ukraine and Kazachstan. Even in Moscow, death rate doubled. You capitalists tested syphilis on humans, invaded hundreds of countries , supported puppet regimes that killed millions and run an apartheid state well into the 1960s. Gulag? Is that what are you so afraid of capitalists? Being forced to actually work? While Churchill was making his "heroic" hypocritical WW2 speeches, 2-4 million people starved to death in Bengal. From chronic poverty and starvation, about 100 million people starve per decade in India alone. 14 million people per year starve per year, that is, about 40000 per day. And you, as a hardcore Zionist, are a hypocrite for even caring about murder as the followers of your ideology are currently the one commiting murder. Mao murdered a lot of people, he also doubled life expectancy and ended famine in China - the only famine happening under Mao had a morality rate the same as China every year before 1949, because there always was a famine in some provinces every year and the life expectancy of 35. In 1976, it was 62.

And please stop with this Pol Pot bullshit. The king Leopold in the 19th century killed 10-30 million people in the Congo, how? By keeping the country as his private property and keeping the entire population enslaved in what was basically an open air rubber harvesting slave/death camp, with soldiers cutting off hands of those who did not comply.

You capitalists killed more people than Hitler, Stalin, Mao summed. It always pisses me off to the point of hatred that those with the bloodiest hands pretend their are clean and only "totalitarian" (read: non-liberal) ideologies kill people.


Here you go...

http://www.ukrainiangenocide.com/

The Native tribes weren't murdered in the name of Capitalism, they were murdered because they murdered white settlers, took whites off as slaves, etc. I'm not saying that whites aren't guilty of the same - IT HAPPENED. There was a war, and one side one. That's how it always happens. The genocides were NOT war. They were the murder of civilians, citizens of the nation that murdered them, in peace time.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 18 Nov 2011, 06:40
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Post 06 Dec 2011, 17:40
Anyway, I think I'm through. I have no beef with you man, just a difference of views. Peace.
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Post 06 Dec 2011, 17:58
That site you posted is just a site, and there are many scholars who doubt the story. Just look at this map http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... S_1933.jpg . Yes, it was worst in Ukraine, but continued well away from the territory. As you can see by a little line there, it affected all grain growing regions of the USSR. This is coming from somebody who has an Ukrainian mother - she was born in the 1970s, but if really Stalin wanted to wipe out their people in 1933, she would have freaking known it from grandparents. There was a famine in the 1930s but it was not orchestrated to wipe Ukraine out.

Not even most sane Ukrainians believe in the "intentional genocide story". These things are born out of nationalism, which is most prevalent in Western Ukraine. Other Ukrainians call those people "Banderas", after the infamous "freedom figher" who worked with the Nazis while they killed 30 million Soviet people much of them Ukrainians.

And it does not matter in whose name a murder was commited, Gulags were a matter of "national security and getting rid of fascist agents", not "helping communism".
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 18 Nov 2011, 06:40
Komsomol
Post 06 Dec 2011, 18:06
Neuron wrote:
That site you posted is just a site, and there are many scholars who doubt the story. Just look at this map http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... S_1933.jpg . Yes, it was worst in Ukraine, but continued well away from the territory. As you can see by a little line there, it affected all grain growing regions of the USSR. This is coming from somebody who has an Ukrainian mother - she was born in the 1970s, but if really Stalin wanted to wipe out their people in 1933, she would have freaking known it from grandparents. There was a famine in the 1930s but it was not orchestrated to wipe Ukraine out.

Not even most sane Ukrainians believe in the "intentional genocide story". These things are born out of nationalism, which is most prevalent in Western Ukraine. Other Ukrainians call those people "Banderas", after the infamous "freedom figher" who worked with the Nazis while they killed 30 million Soviet people much of them Ukrainians.

And it does not matter in whose name a murder was commited, Gulags were a matter of "national security and getting rid of fascist agents", not "helping communism".


I have a friend in the Ukraine who takes the same position as you stated. He said that his grandparents lived during that time, and they kept a picture of Stalin in their home until their deaths. I suppose the position you take is the other side of the argument, although this is only the second time I have heard it stated (and I have a half dozen or so friends who are from the Ukraine).

I personally don't like Stalin much so perhaps I am a bit biased...
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