Quote: http://www.php.isn.ethz.ch/collections/ ... info=25996 All in all, a very interesting document to read for anyone interested in the Warsaw Pact Forces. Whenever death may surprise us, let it be welcome if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
-Che Guevara Quote: Hell yeah! I would get to be liberated instead of bombed. ^_^ "Don't know why i'm still surprised with this shit anyway." - Loz
Quote: Problem is fallout my good man. It would be interesting to see War Plans from the 70s and 80s to see if the use of nuclear weapons became much more limited as both sides became more aware of the after effects of the weapons. I read through a NATO War Plan Scenario once from the early 80s. Basically the scenario entailed a deterioration in relations between East and West with the Soviets threatening to blockade West Berlin. To show force, the US and Britain and France would increase the Berlin Brigade forces in West Berlin by 10,000. As a result the Soviet Forces would blockade the city to prevent further NATO deployments. Eventually negotiations would become dead locked and the NATO forces would attempt to breach the Inner German Border with conventional forces. It was estimated that NATO forces could reach West Belin within a week's time do to the fact that Soviet Forces would have to cope with a large NATO force of several tens of thousands of troops in West Berlin and a massive NATO force breaching the Inner German Border. Upon reaching West Berlin the scenario actually stressed that NATO forces halt their advance inorder to not provoke the Soviets into using nuclear weapons. From here the scenario split into two possibilites, the first being a NATO called ceasefire followed by a return to negotiations, that was the best case scenario. The worst case scenario envisioned by NATO planners was a surgical strike by Warsaw Pact Nuclear Forces on NATO command and control centers in Western Europe, such as NATO HQ in Brussels. At this point the NATO War Plan called for a retalitory strike against Warsaw Pact Command and Control Centers. Finally, the plan stated that if such a scenario unfolded it was more then likely that the Warsaw Pact would release its full nuclear arsenal and the NATO would release its full nuclear arsenal in a retaliatory strike. Whenever death may surprise us, let it be welcome if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
-Che Guevara
Wow, the Czechs would be in for a hard time. The two US armies in West Germany, the 7th and the 9th, were the toughest of the NATO forces. Personally I think a strategy of smashing weaker British, Dutch and West German forces in the center/north, bypassing and then encircling the US armies would have been preferable to a head-on assault, considering their strength and the difficulty of the terrain.
Harry Palmer wrote: Estimates are a funny thing. Some Soviet estimates talked about reaching the Atlantic Ocean in a week. Also, it's important to note when reading these documents that Soviet strategy for the use of tactical nuclear weapons evolved over time. To my understanding the West was even more open about its willingness to use nuclear weapons, due to its politically based, militarily suicidal strategy of frontal defense. "The thing about capitalism is that it sounds awful on paper and is horrendous in practice. Communism sounds wonderful on paper and when it was put into practice it was done pretty well for what they had to work with." -MiG
Quote: I think part of the reason the Cold War never went hot can be contributed to the fact that both sides realized that estimates meant little and that a conventional war could quickly spiral into a full blown nuclear war. The West's defensive strategy required the use of nuclear weapons, Warsaw Pact forces were superior in numbers and by the 70s had technology and training that was at the same level as the west. The Warsaw Pact Forces would've incurred heavy losses, but in a conventional war could have likely overwhelmed NATO troops and made it to the Rhine. Whether or not they would've made it farther then the Rhine is dependent on whether NATO was able to reinforce its defenses like what was practiced in Operation Reforger. The outcome of the battle in the Atlantic between NATO and Warsaw Pact Navies would've been what determined the Soviets ability to cross the Rhine. If US Convoys and aircraft had been able to bring troops to France and West Germany, the Soviets could've been in trouble quickly. Its also likely the the Swiss would've joined in with NATO if the Soviets made it to the Rhine, Swiss war plans from the 60s call for the Swiss military to fight a war outside its own borders. Getting back to the point though, most NATO warplans I have seen have called for the use of tactical nuclear weapons if the Warsaw Pact Forces crossed the Rhine, NATO would not have allowed Warsaw Pact Forces to get past the Rhine under any circumstances. Likely usuage would've been air bursting the weapons over the Warsaw Pact advance in the Fulda Gap. Whenever death may surprise us, let it be welcome if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
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