Quote: But of course this is simply imperialist propaganda, no?
So what?
I hate Kim but i don't see anything overly wrong with that.One imperialist ship sunk.Amen. These 2 states are basically still in war...
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Reason: Oddly I have to agree with loz. ![]()
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 20 Jul 2007, 06:59 Ideology: Marxism-Leninism Forum Commissar Quote: ![]() "It does not suffice to reject the error; we must overcome it, explain it and outgrow it." - Antonio Labriola Forum Rules
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Reason: lol owned line 2; Quote: Oh, no. You put "line 2;". You've found an unknown technicality that prevents me from doing anything!
Actually I thought he was referring to line 2 of the report praxicoide posted. And that really is massive ownage.
It doesn't seem plausible for the DPRK to randomly sink a RoK vessel in the south side's water. They gain nothing (except for perhaps making the arms-export more attractive to foreign nations) and strangely, they did not take credit for it, which the DPRK has done many times in the past when it shot down offending aircrafts and ships.
Threads of interest: viewtopic.php?f=131&t=48293 viewtopic.php?f=131&t=48292 viewtopic.php?f=131&t=48291 viewtopic.php?f=131&t=48294
Ok ok, ive perused your topics and in some respects they make some goods points...But
1) An article blames the States 2) A propeller end just HAPPENS to be near by 3) There was one semi-unbias body in the multinational investigation team that sided with the rest on grounds of evidence. I'm not going to do my usual siding with the west on this one because even I feel DPRK tech is too backwards to sneak in with a sub and knock out a ship, and me saying they could have done it with a person driven torpedo(ala WWII) is just as, if not more crazy than the article just blaming the states. I lack direct enough evidence from either side to go with one version. If I had pictures of the boat, and a better knowledge of certain things I would.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 13 Feb 2008, 15:25 Ideology: Other Leftist Politburo
Given what I've said in another thread, I have to concede something. I've been doing some reading, and it seems it is possible for a diesel engine WWII era sub to sneak up on a relatively modern ship and sink it. It just has to be quiet enough to avoid detection, which is possible even with the technology of that era. If the South was in war games, they wouldn't have been looking for a North Korean submarine, which would have helped the North's chances. Chinese subs have pulled the same trick on American carrier fleets, but didn't fire any torpedoes. They would just surface and laugh at the American crews shitting themselves. It was done for the shock value of saying “you’re not so superior anymore uncle Sam”.
An experienced commander probably could have done it, even with an old sub. If I was in the North Korean military command, I wouldn't want to be announcing such capabilities in order to maximise their effectiveness in a real war. That could be why there was been no public admission to the sinking. In any case, I remain doubtful the North is responsible. But it is within the realm of possibility.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 28 Feb 2009, 03:41 Party Member
did anyone of you have news of the okinawa base staying in japan? apparently the prime minister promised to remove it after his election but now he is using the north korean ship sinking in order to keep it there. that's why some speculate the attack is a cover to keep the base in japan. the prime minister also has a very small approval rating.
The schizophrenic is the new jew.
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DOH HO HO Rules 2 and 4 Oblisk. Atleast try to abide by your own petty rules. Why not actually refuting my statements with conclusive evidence. You could have atleast used the argument from my point on blaming the states that evidence could have hypothetically been fabricated on grounds of maintaining the US base in Japan which is now not being given the boot because of just this in order to maintain American superiority in this region. While something in theory is possible given the US' record for dastardly deeds the evidence as you OH SO LOVE TO REFUTE WITH is both lacking and arbitrary on any level. Using Mr Colon is a STUPID image macro to argue against my points, which I am assuming involves 'evidence' and Iraq. Besides Hanz going WMD WMD Sweeden remained moderately neutral during the UN inquiry, as did other nations involved with the BEST KOREA investigation. And now DPRK threatens war if blamed for this? Lets keep in mind originally Seoul downplayed this whole thing and DIDNT want to blame the DPRK and did everything to rule that out. So Oblisk, whats up?
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 28 Feb 2009, 03:41 Party Member
if further sanctions are given to north korea it's normal that they get pissed as hell. especially if they didn't do it. i don't understand why they would do it at all. and if a rogue officer did it they could blame in and demote him. it's not necessarily the usa but perhaps the japanese?
The schizophrenic is the new jew.
How many tonnes grain does DPRK annually get from the USofA?
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 28 Feb 2009, 03:41 Party Member
http://www.ncnk.org/resources/publicati ... 8_2009.pdf
i think there was some stop due to the nuclear bomb controversy. The schizophrenic is the new jew.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 11 Nov 2009, 07:13 Ideology: Other Leftist Politburo Oblisk wrote: What about a power play? They receive the opportunity to show that they are the better Korea. ![]()
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 20 Jul 2007, 06:59 Ideology: Marxism-Leninism Forum Commissar
So they have cut ties to the South.
Quote: So what happens now? The US seems resolute to slap them with more sanctions, and Ban has basically said this was OK. I don't think they'll be able to dodge the bullet here. ![]() "It does not suffice to reject the error; we must overcome it, explain it and outgrow it." - Antonio Labriola Forum Rules
wtf what is going on there. they really seem to want war.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 13 Feb 2008, 15:25 Ideology: Other Leftist Politburo
They being the North or South? Personally, I blame the South mostly. The current government is rabidly anti-Communist and following an aggressive policy to try and choke the North economically, whereas the previous regimes were much more conciliatory.
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