Best Soviet Leader?

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What treaty? I've never heard of any treaty. Do you honestly believe that the Sino-Soviet split is soley Khrushchev's fault?

Treaty of 1950. And yes Khureshchev was doing the reverse of everything Stalin did.

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Do you honestly believe that the Sino-Soviet split is soley Khrushchev's fault?

Well maybe not solely Khrushchev's fault. But it was mostly his fault and he is the man to blame for the split.

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Well maybe not solely Khrushchev's fault. But it was mostly his fault and he is the man to blame for the split.

Indeed. But how come Chinese-Soviet relations weren't repaired after Khrushchev's removal?

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yes Khureshchev was doing the reverse of everything Stalin did.

Mao was just a follower of Stalin who faied to copy Stalin's actions.

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Indeed. But how come Chinese-Soviet relations weren't repaired after Khrushchev's removal?

The system remained revisionist. Also they kept the same social-imperialistic stance.

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Mao was just a follower of Stalin who faied to copy Stalin's actions.

In the previous page it has already been rebutted.

There was a reason as to why some of Mao’s actions failed. Keep in mind that all previous and future attempts will continue to be social experiments more or less, in order to try and achieve the goal of socialism.
Like I said, Mao’s GLF for instance, was basically an attempt to put through the same economic plan Stalin had for the USSR. It failed since China had very different material conditions in comparison with Soviet Union.
Again, since there is no 101 manual for the implementation of socialism, Mao’s errors are fully understandable.


The Sino-Soviet split divided an already divided world.

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No! USSR lost it's "purpose" and became yet another imperialist nation after Stalin, more or less.

There was 'imperialism' even in Lenin's time. The Polish-Soviet war of 1919, the Red Army kicking out the Bogd Khan in Mongolia in 1920, as well as the short-lived annexation of the Iranian province of Gilan in 1921.

GL, your points were valid, but what was particularly imperialist about the Bolsheviks regaining the territory that Russia had previously lost to what was to become the defunct Polish Empire?

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as well as the short-lived annexation of the Iranian province of Gilan in 1921.

That was different in many many ways.

Gilan was not a puppet state, as they were not under the control of Soviet power. The "jungle" movement was not Soviet inspired/backed. It was a revolt to overthrow the Qajar dynasty.
Needless to say, they weren't even ideologically close to "USSR" & were economically independent.
If u look it up in a book, this movement, and similar anti-monarchist movements in Iran were around a long time before the Russian revolution.

Now, they never intended to maintain Gilan as some semi-buffer-state. And they withdrew after they had major disagreements with Mirza Kuchak Khan.
I also believe that one of the reasons Soviets got involved was to eliminate the few tsarist whites staying in Northern Iran.

(The Polish-Soviet war is compeletly irrelevent as well so I won't bother.)

There's a huge difference between supporting people's national liberation against aggressors and social-imperialism, i.e. overthrowing and meddling with other countries of interests' policies and installing puppet-regimes.

P.S.
FC, the Nixon invitation wasn't a bad idea. Mao opened up trade with USA because of economical reasons. China needed a trading partner and since the USSR wasn't ideal, US became the better choice.

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FC, the Nixon invitation wasn't a bad idea. Mao opened up trade with USA because of economical reasons. China needed a trading partner and since the USSR wasn't ideal, US became the better choice

Lawl. Hooray for comradely solidarity.

Surely even the USSR (from a Chinese point of view) held the international cause of socialism higher than the US?

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same social-imperialistic stance.

Before the Sino-Soviet split, China was whole. When it occured China was the rightful owner to parts of Siberia, Aksai Chin, Outer Mongolia.

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Again, since there is no 101 manual for the implementation of socialism, Mao’s errors are fully understandable

So I guess Pol Pot, Kim Jong-Il, Nicolae Caescaeu can all be excused?

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China needed a trading partner and since the USSR wasn't ideal, US became the better choice.

So I guess China chose fully blown capitalism against 'revisionists'?

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Surely even the USSR (from a Chinese point of view) held the international cause of socialism higher than the US?

I said economical reasons.

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Before the Sino-Soviet split, China was whole. When it occured China was the rightful owner to parts of Siberia, Aksai Chin, Outer Mongolia.

Those examples are to do with border disputes between two countries. It has nothing to do with installing puppet governments and having sattelite states (e.g. members of the Warsaw pact).
I would like to see proof and the logic behind your allegations, otherwise you're just sprouting off nonsense.

The immense expansionist policies, the Comintern & the Moscow loyal governments. It all really comes down to the same situation as with most Western powers, just under a different name.

The logic was before the Sino-Soviet split China accepted its borders as it was. When Khrushchev came along the border clashes and imperialism (on a much smaller scale) started to appear.

You said it yourself, before the Sino-Soviet split PRC didn't really quarrel with USSR about their border disputes. That was before the split when they were still friends/allies.

Now, the Kashmir/aksay-chin area you are referring to is a disputed territory, 3 countries were fighting over it & not just China. There was fighting there long before the Sino-Soviet split.

LENIN !!

Stalin. By far.

I want to be a humanist, but I have to be a realist and go with Stalin.

My favorites are Lenin and Kruschev since I'm a liberal, but Stalin just did so much good in defeating the Nazis as well as industrialization.

My favorite socialist leaders are Ho-Chi-Minh and Lenin for the simple reason they aren't really looked at in a bad light by todays media, hell Lenin has statues in the USA! As bad as it is to let the media affect your thinking, it's obviously going to happen in a modern day country.

The Bolshevik Party.

Stalin only

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The Bolshevik Party.

Best answer yet.

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Ahh yes, the China's experiencing its own version of the NEP argument. I have to admit, I've made this one myself in the past. I would very much like this to be true, and maybe it is (there is some evidence to back this claim up).

Let's hear it.

Please ?

For me:

1. Lenin
2. Khruschev

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The rest were either fools to megalomaniacs.