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 08 Apr 2008, 10:52
Lenin & Stalin.
08 Apr 2008, 18:03
Quote: What would Stalin have done? Opted for nuclear war? 08 Apr 2008, 19:32
Held firm - and not let the USA push him into retreat!
RE 08 Apr 2008, 19:41
The U.S. would probably be more scared and not more pushed to go to war with the Soviet Union if Stalin was leader. Stalin wasn't open to the west as Khrushchev was. I couldn't see Stalin coming to the U.S. for improved relations. If the Cuban Missile Crisis took place under Stalin then I could see Stalin threatening the U.S. with war before the U.S. would threaten the USSR or Cuba.
 We have beaten you to the moon, but you have beaten us in sausage making.- Nikita Khrushchev 09 Apr 2008, 18:08
Just out of interest, would you have preferred a nuclear strike to Krushchev's climbdown?
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 09 Apr 2008, 14:16 New Comrade (Say hi & be nice to me!) 09 Apr 2008, 19:57
Lenin and Stalin
09 Apr 2008, 20:05
Quote: Well, let's put it this way: Being an admin has made me a bit more sympathetic towards the purges. I still have a firm belief that a vanguard should be compiled of unity of the left, but after the revolution, a purging of the party is inevitable. As far as ideals go, I have changed a bit due to the fact I feel that a series of revisions will no longer be enough to rectify the problems we have in the US today. It has become much too late for that. Any peaceful transition would leave the door far too open to turn back to capitalism. 09 Apr 2008, 23:23
I think my views on Stalin have softened a bit as well. I am not as much of an Anti-Stalinist now and pretty much just take things as they are.
 09 Apr 2008, 23:26
Quote: Being an administrator has had some effect on me as well, actually, mostly towards authority in general. I'm not trying to inflate the importance of being an administrator, but it is possible to draw some parallels and gain an understanding. 
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 13 Feb 2008, 15:25 Ideology: Other Leftist Politburo 13 Apr 2008, 12:23
Quote: He didn't make any (not that I can tell anyway). Regardless, I simply don't believe that everything he did was bad. 13 Apr 2008, 18:25
Quote: But what he did opened the door for the collapse of the USSR. He might of had some good things he did, but it's hard for me to look past this. 13 Apr 2008, 23:01
Waht about Gorbachev? He oversaw the USSR's collapse but there was much less oppression under him. I'd have to Breznev wasn't that great. He was really senile and decripit, and he opressed without the economic gains under Stalin (who I think is the best.)
If it weren't for class differences, state militias and police would actually be different from monkeys with sticks. - Lenin, State and Revolution
14 Apr 2008, 01:50
Gorbachev D: Gorbachev is responsible for the collapse of the Soviet Union along with Yeltsin. Even if Khrushchev was responsible for messing up the Soviet Union, Gorbachev was the one who is responsible for the fall of the USSR. His perestroika policy was too disorganized.
We have beaten you to the moon, but you have beaten us in sausage making.- Nikita Khrushchev 14 Apr 2008, 09:59
It wasn't just disorganized. It was clearly an attempt to create capitalism. I completely disagree with you in regards to Brezhnev. He was the last Soviet leader to make important major infrastructural investment.
Soviet cogitations: 4955
Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 13 Feb 2008, 15:25 Ideology: Other Leftist Politburo 14 Apr 2008, 11:39
Quote: How exactly did Khrushchev "open the door" for collapse? He denounced Stalin and took some steps towards "liberalisation" but I can't find anything specific that contributed. . All I can think of is that he may have set the groundwork for someone like Gorbachev to gain power, but I assume that most of the silly reforms he made would have been undone by Brezhnev. From what I can tell, there seems to be a divide between a liberal and conservative (I can't think of more appropriate terms) style of leadership. Perhaps neither extreme is helpful in the long run? 14 Apr 2008, 11:45
Quote: Um.. Bingo. If a Hardliner like Stalin was to replace Stalin, or had Stalin chose his successor, there wouldn't have been a Khrushchev, Brezhnev, or Gorbachev to mess things up.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 13 Feb 2008, 15:25 Ideology: Other Leftist Politburo 14 Apr 2008, 11:53
Quote: Then how? As I said, I thought Brezhnev would have undone most of his reforms. Edit: I can see the logic behind your point about Stalin, but It doesn't explain exactly how Khrushchev was the cause of collapse. 14 Apr 2008, 15:24
Quote: I never said he caused it. Once the door is open to reform, it sets a precedent. 14 Apr 2008, 15:38
It could be argued that Gorbachev was merely helping the invietable.
If it weren't for class differences, state militias and police would actually be different from monkeys with sticks. - Lenin, State and Revolution
Soviet cogitations: 4955
Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 13 Feb 2008, 15:25 Ideology: Other Leftist Politburo 14 Apr 2008, 15:44
chaz171: Ahh. I see what you mean now.
ntcommie: Perhaps, but introducing radical reforms in a time of economic instability is not generally a smart idea.
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