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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 04 Aug 2004, 20:49 Embalmed
Does this have anything to do with Shostakovich at all?
Bashmet and Richter's recording of his final opus beats any galop. ![]() "Phil Spector is haunting Europe" -Dr. Karl H. Marx
Computer formatted-->no more Shostakovich symphonies.
Moving to a new house with no cable connection --> no more torrent.
I love my 5gb of Shostakovich symphonies
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 04 Aug 2004, 20:49 Embalmed
I have noticed that Shostakovich in the first movement (about 5 minutes in) of the 12th Symphony quotes Borodin from the first movement of his 2nd Symphony (the theme from about 1 minute and 30 in and later at about 4 minutes in). Such a wonderful theme. It appears the rest of the said Borodin symphony is more or less a conglomerate of overtures!
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I've always thought Shostakovich's 12th is one of the weakest of his symphonies. A lot of it sounds like rather over-extended film music. Even his 11th is better. Hell, even his 3rd is better!
"Comrade Lenin left us a great legacy, and we fucкed it up." - Josef Stalin
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 04 Aug 2004, 20:49 Embalmed
Mozart's 20th Symphony could quite easily wipe the floor with Shosty's 12th, but Shosty's 8th murders anything!
![]() "Phil Spector is haunting Europe" -Dr. Karl H. Marx Quote: Agreed, except his 10th! Now there's a pinnacle of symphonic art; one of the greatest symphonies of the 20th century and Shosty's masterpiece! "Comrade Lenin left us a great legacy, and we fucкed it up." - Josef Stalin
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 04 Aug 2004, 20:49 Embalmed
Don't you just find it quite intriguing to look where a composer might have gained his influence from and where any quotations and themes were taken? I'm rather sure that Shostakovich's reworking of Boris Godunov had a large impact on how he approached his music, working with the dark as his best asset, which is arguably utterly correct, look at every Adagio from his symphonies - sheer genius.
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I agree. I think Mussorgsky had a huge influence on the development of Russian music; even more than people realise. His rather idiosyncratic handling of harmony, and his obsession with mysterious, dark and introspective emotions, were tremendously important. And he was able to drink heroically large quantities of vodka. What a genius!
"Comrade Lenin left us a great legacy, and we fucкed it up." - Josef Stalin
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 04 Aug 2004, 20:49 Embalmed
I am going to have to get a portrait of Mussorgsky to hang on the wall near Marx, Mozart, Darwin and Hegel! My Wall will be a wall of fame, and will stink of lovely tobacco fumes...
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I recently saw the 9th at the Opera Haus...quite amazing (as well as his Piano Concerto No. 2).
The concert guide says that Stalin wanted it to be some sort of massive, Beethoven-esque symphony and celebration of the Red Army's victory over the Nazis (as it was finished in 1945). ![]() 'Soviet-Empire. 500% more methods than other leading brands.'
mmm...looking forward to Shosty's 8th concert by the SSO.
According to the program "Shostakovich’s Eighth is a requiem, secretly dedicated to the victims of Stalin’s war on his own country." The chorus finale of the 3rd is quite rousing, while keeping a degree of intriguing dissonance... ![]() 'Soviet-Empire. 500% more methods than other leading brands.' Quote: I don't suppose they gave any source for this claim? And please don't say "Solomon Volkov's book". Quote: Shostakovich's 3rd is a POS, the culmination of his unfortunate 'avant-garde' phase. "Comrade Lenin left us a great legacy, and we fucкed it up." - Josef Stalin
![]() Quote: Of course they don't source anything. And I'm sure it would give the primarily bourgeois-liberal audience a warm and fuzzy feeling inside. Quote: Piece of shit? I beg to differ. It may have been far from his greatest symphony, but it certainly has it's merits. Quote: What about his 4th? The 3rd appears almost conventional compared to his 4th. ![]() 'Soviet-Empire. 500% more methods than other leading brands.' Quote: Actually, his 4th is not what I would call 'avant-garde' - it's actually his most Mahlerian symphony, and compared to his 2nd and 3rd is harmonically almost conventional. The 4th represents something of a retreat from the avant-garde, and his 5th (possibly his most banal symphony, with the possible exception of his 12th) completed that process. In other words, when he received the official criticism of his opera 'Lady MacBeth of Mtsensk', it only propelled him faster in a direction in which he was already travelling. "Comrade Lenin left us a great legacy, and we fucкed it up." - Josef Stalin
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What could you recommend from Shostakovich's work as a good introduction to his music?
Symphony No.10 (his masterpiece)
The Gadfly (lots of good tunes) Piano Concerto No.2 Violin Concerto No.1 Piano Quintet (it won the Stalin Prize in 1941, and is said to be "in five movements, of which there are seven", since the first audience demanded that two of the movements be repeated) Symphony No.15 (difficult to get into, but amazing once you do) and just take it from there.... Exploring Shostakovich's music is an amazing journey, one that you'll never forget. I wish you luck, and yes, I envy you. "Comrade Lenin left us a great legacy, and we fucкed it up." - Josef Stalin
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I recently ripped my friends' complete Shostakovich String Quartets by the Brodsky Quartet. Where should I start?
Quote: A wonderful concerto, though apparently Shosty saw little artistic merit in it! His Concerto for piano, trumpet and strings also possesses breathtaking moments, especially Shosty's 1958 recording of it. ![]() 'Soviet-Empire. 500% more methods than other leading brands.' Quote: Try No.8. Quote: Yeah, his 2nd Piano Concerto is a bit like Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture in that respect; wildly popular with the public, but despised by the composer himself. Still, it's exciting and has some good tunes. What's wrong with that? Oh, and his two Cello Concertos are excellent. "Comrade Lenin left us a great legacy, and we fucкed it up." - Josef Stalin
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 12 Jun 2006, 02:14 Ideology: Marxism-Leninism Party Bureaucrat
Sorry to bring to life this old thread, but it was the most appropiate place to post this news.
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