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does god exist

yes
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no
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maybe
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 04 Aug 2004, 20:49
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Post 04 Apr 2007, 14:39
Dialectics?
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 27 Jun 2006, 22:14
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Post 05 Apr 2007, 10:30
the nswer is yes, god exists. He is part of our society and part of our life. Communism and god are very similiar to each other. Not the way as the catholic church always preeches it but as the russian-orthodox church does. the fight for communism is the fight for the goo part in the human species. Capitalism is the evil, the Satan which has to be destroyed. so i think the goals of communism and the ones of god are very similiar. We must resist the evil and let the positive side inside human beeing grow. Only that way we can build a good andtrue communist society.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 28 Nov 2004, 15:56
Ideology: Democratic Socialism
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Post 11 Apr 2007, 13:47
Just through observation and experience I don't believe in god, i have a very strong Humanist and atheist worldview. If there is a god why does the pinnacle of his creation (humans) have a spine that isn't made to walk on 2 legs or 4 legs, why do we have gills when we are at an early stage in the womb? These are 2 facts i learned from a Biology professor at my University. Also why is there so much suffering, why are people born mutilated, with fragged up conditions such as muscle turning to bone? Either god doesn't exist or he's a sadist and gets off to his creations pain, either way, he shouldn't be worshipped. But in my humble opinion, life is far too chaotic for there to be an supreme authority over it. Humans should live their lives via experience and care for other human beings, not live their lives by inhuman laws. So yes, i don't believe in god, i don't believe in an afterlife, and i'm skeptical about anything supernatural.

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 10 Apr 2007, 12:02
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Post 12 Apr 2007, 00:22
The only intelligent answer is maybe. No one knows for sure, you either believe it or you don't, but you don't know. Faith isn't about knowing, it's about believing. The poll question is wrong, the only possible answer to it is maybe.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 24 Feb 2004, 11:09
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Post 12 Apr 2007, 05:26
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The only intelligent answer is maybe. No one knows for sure, you either believe it or you don't, but you don't know. Faith isn't about knowing, it's about believing. The poll question is wrong, the only possible answer to it is maybe.


Depends on your definition of "God". If you're willing to concede God simply as some form of a higher power, then maybe. If it is the dude with a beard who lives in the sky and sent his only son and created the world in 6 days, then clearly, the answer is NO.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 17 Jan 2005, 07:15
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Post 12 Apr 2007, 05:37
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If it is the dude with a beard who lives in the sky and sent his only son and created the world in 6 days, then clearly, the answer is NO.


He's right.
Since obviously, Chuck Norris created the world.



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I believe in science and the evolution, however there is no real concrete theory on how it all started. I choose not to count out God. I'm an agnostic simply because there is no evidence to contradict higher forces. For all I know, we could be "flees" living on someone's head (planet).
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 01 Apr 2007, 07:56
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Post 12 Apr 2007, 06:39
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For all I know, we could be "flees" living on someone's head (planet).


greatly said.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 19 May 2006, 12:04
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Post 22 Jul 2007, 01:37
Just can't believe 29% of you declares they believe in God and other 11% say maybe....
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 13 Jul 2007, 05:18
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Post 22 Jul 2007, 01:50
I voted "no."

If by "god" we mean a monotheistic deity, then I am an atheist. But if we mean polytheistic deities or pantheistic 'life forces', then I'd say agnostic. The latter seems somewhat more believable than the former.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 05 Nov 2005, 21:16
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Post 22 Jul 2007, 21:28
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Not the way as the catholic church always preeches it but as the russian-orthodox church does.

Actually the Chatholic Church and the Orthodox Church are pretty much the same except the Orthodox Church does not have a pope.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 21 Apr 2007, 06:49
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Post 23 Jul 2007, 03:49
Comrades,
I was moved by this little quote from a Russian worker which Nadezhda Krupskaya (or "Mrs Lenin" if you prefer) recorded in her book...
Memories of Lenin
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And how easy had things become. For there was nothing worse than being a slave of God, as you couldn't do anything about it. But to be a human slave was much easier, as here a fight was possible.


Whether we believe in a God/religion or not - the fight is not against what we cannot see but what Marxism has brought out into the open before us - the Capitalist ruling class!

If belief in a god(s) threatened this ruling class and its antics in any real way, then they would decisively move against it.
But organised state religion generally has by nature been conservative rather than progressive for that reason (part of the state):
- capitulation with Feudal Lords
- hemming in aspirations of the True Levellers
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.....Then this Enmity in all Lands will cease, for none shall dare to seek a Dominion over others, neither shall any dare to kill another, nor desire more of the Earth then another; for he that will rule over, imprison, oppresse, and kill his fellow Creatures, under what pretence soever, is a destroyer of the Creation, and an actor of the Curse, and walks contrary to the rule of righteousnesse: (Do, as you would have others do to you; and love your Enemies, not in Words, but in actions).....

The common People are filled with good words from Pulpits and Councel Tables, but no good Deeds; For they wait and wait for good, and for deliverances, but none comes; While they wait for liberty, behold greater bondage comes insteed of it, and burdens, oppressions, taskmasters, from Sessions, Lawyers, Bayliffs of Hundreds, Committees, Impropriators, Clerks of Peace, and Courts of Justice, so called, does whip the People

- condemning Suffragettes and their demands as being the end of civilisation (resulting in churches being burn down)
etc........... most of which would be indefensible to modern European churches

All this a far cry from a non-state interfering church in Acts 2:
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All the believers were together and had everything in common. Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need. Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts


Is religion bad? Well who are their leaders on the side of?
For example, in the New Testament:
- is it the guy turning over the tables of the money changers who were ripping off the poor
- or is it the golden thread-clad dudes playing political games with the occupying Roman Imperialists?

Is the fight with gods & their priests? Well yes, if these gods or their priests subjugate the working class to some other class. Otherwise, people's individual religious belief is no threat to a socialist society.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 13 Aug 2007, 10:40
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Post 17 Aug 2007, 16:39
No, I don't believe.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 16 Oct 2007, 18:36
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Post 05 Dec 2007, 19:50
Of course god doesn't exist. If he where the he approves that millions of people die of hunger in the world and int that case he is evil and he don't deserve to be venerated
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 21 Jun 2004, 21:22
Embalmed
Post 06 Dec 2007, 19:09
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he don't deserve to be venerated

You'll get us all killed now!

God's cool. I don't think believing in Him hurts.

I don't think he's real. But that doesn't mean I don't pray to Him when I don't have anything else to do.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 20 Jul 2007, 06:59
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Post 06 Dec 2007, 19:21
I can't believe in god. "god" to me is just the warped expression of human potential.

If "god" were to appear, I still wouldn't believe. How would I know it is really god, for one thing? Also, does having god appear to me change anything in the state of the world? If the answer is no, then it is not worth to devote any energy into it.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 17 May 2012, 07:39
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Post 17 May 2012, 11:52
God does exist, therefore, it is very stupid to be an atheist.

By Joseph Roe ©2012

I witnessed a miracle. I have proof that God exists. I believe for absolute certainty that God does exist.

Mathematically, God is proven to exist: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_Infinite

Now that I've settled the debate, you may still choose to not believe, and it's your choice. God doesn't want you to become a meaningless drone that is forced into doing God's will. That would defeat the purpose of life and the selection process on earth. If for several eons in time you were to consider 'String Theory', 'Quantum Mechanics', or the 'Theory of Relativity', it doesn't even begin to skim the surface of God's infinite wisdom. For every quote, as in 'quote', check the wiki as I have.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_theory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_mechanics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_relativity

Premiss: 'Ockham's Razor' and to a limited degree 'Pascal's Wager' (but not feigning belief...it's flawed)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal's_Wager

My explanation for everything and anything is simple. Faith of a mustard seed to begin with, very simple. When I was in elementary school became interested in history, science, math, sociology, and geography. I grew with wisdom and knowledge continually and I could adequately solved a multitude of questions imposed upon me. I wasn't aware of what sociology and socio-economic comprehension was until latter. I'd later learn about those in great detail. As time went on I progressed. I continued to advance until I reinvented myself, 'born again' you see. I wasn't the first to arrive at Self-Actualiztion. ('Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs'). For sake of my conjectures, billions of years ago, God achieved 'Self-Actualization' before anybody else. It's actually an infinity long time ago, but I'll explain.

Time could be traveled, gravity could be bent. I read about elementary particle physics and the electromagnetic spectrum and it furthered my interest. I soon discovered that there is no smallest space. On the micro scale, space is infinitely divisible. I predict that even 'Planck length' collapses when the 'Gravitational constant' is subjected to a being a singularity, i.e. Black hole. This infinite divisibility, means there is always something smaller. On the macro scale, considering String Theory the universe of universes is infinitely expanding and infinitely large.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_length

"For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength." 1 Corinthians 1:25


If in considering 'singularities' and 'entities'. I'd recall from 'Fermi's Paradox' about asking where is all the other life is in our universe. God and the spiritual realm among other lessor immortal beings would service. God doesn't show himself in the image we contrive because he's not a petty entity that we can conjure on will. Since we are entities our souls have accumulative quantities and great quality. In size comparison we are infinitesimal. The 'universe' of universes isn't even close to being billions of years old. It's more then than a billion trillion years. It's actually infinitely old. The big bang theory isn't even close. God had so much time to accumulate experiences and knowledge that time itself could be reconstructed and reconciled. Different options that occur in the universe is more than entrainment for God. After generations of people expiring on earth we are left to ask if our prior generations had ever encountered God? They periodically did, that's why there's the Bible. Namely the teaching of Jesus Christ. Will you hear directly from God? Maybe, but only if you choose to hear and it's his will. That in it's self is a conundrum. God has in fact revealed himself in everything and nothing. The fact you don't see him is additional proof of his existence.


Normally for sake of argument, God operates with "radio silence" most of the time because he's already had infinite time to do everything and anything. He cares about us simply because he's the creator of everything and nothing. Logic and proof becomes defunct and cease to be a measurement in absolute infinity. We think we're important, and we are, collectively. As mortal beings we should revere infinity. Infinity exists wether or not we believe in it. Likewise God exists wether or not we believe. As being a infinite being with omnipotent power he's seen every possibility. God hasn't ever ceased to exist because of the duality nature of God. God is evident in everything and nothing. We talk about God, therefore he exits. We don't see God, therefore he exists. Some people will choose to not believe in God, therefore he exists. 'Ockham's Razor': God is therefore he exists. God in a sense lives through us, should we chose to let him enter our heart and do his will. How do we know God is a he? He is but he isn't. He is the most dominate force within everything. As humans we've attributed this to him. We desperately seek wisdom and knowledge. We should ask about sin.

Let us for a moment consider 'simplicity' and 'complexity'. The infinity of infinity to include nothingness exists outside wether we choose to believe in Jesus Christ or not. The purpose of humanity is to show people that God does exist and that given a choice to serve or be served we hopefully choose to serve God. He created us so that we may choose goodness, productivity, creativity, ethos, and constructiveness. Evil is destruction, 'chaos', 'sin', fornication, homosexuality, drunkenness, adultery, lust, to include pornography, etc. Everybody with the exception of Jesus Christ has sinned. The judgement of sin is eternal death and separation from God. Anything that would separate a soul from God is sin. Anything that ultimately destroys is evil. However, sometimes we have the moral obligation to intervene. Such an intervention could be exemplified when the Soviet Union helped defeat evil Nazis. If a rebel or an anarchist were to fight against the proper authority it's justifiable to subdue such an transgressor. If as an entity created with a soul and we were to choose rebellion against God's Law, he's justifiable to punish the transgressor. Therefore, I urge you with the most urgent of warnings. Choose to serve God.

What about evolution and God, we ask? People do evolve but so do the animals, but we're not animals. We've been granted elevation as God's most grand invention. His reinvention of himself in his image for an instant in time, is commendable and most worthy of our praise. 'Microevolution' with limited change is fact. 'Macroevolution' to arrive at an atheistic conjecture is Simpleton Religion. Humans haven't evolved from anything other than other people that God created. God created everything. He also created man in is earthly form or image. In a sense you could call God an omnipotent alien that planted life on the earth. It's more complex than that. Be careful how you attribute qualities to God. He's not an actual Alien from outer-space. He is from outer-space per se but he's also everything and nothing. This is seemingly contradictory, but remember that logic and proof operates on a duality that folds the space-time continuum. I borrowed the phrase from 'Star Trek'. Much of this is fanciful talk but it's beautifully simple. Ockham's Razor: God is. In a sense we crave more knowledge but our wisdom isn't capable of rivaling even God's most grandiose of foolishness.

I mentioned meaningless drone earlier, because we are not God's first creation. Earlier proto-types that God created had a notable flaw, significantly the immortal 'Angels' which had no intermediate phase in which they could be weeded out based on weather or not they would ultimately choose to serve or rebel. As the stories of old, legends and lore have told us, there were some that many years ago did rebel against God. About 1/3 of God's Angels fell into sin and rebellion and were cast out of God's presence in heaven. Heaven is the culmination of everything wonderful, beautiful, God like and infiniately beyond words. However, the Angels that turned to sin and rebellion became hideous and disfigured in God's absence. We now know of them as Demons. Likewise you know the destiny of true artificial intelligence and robotics. Consider the Matrix movie.

The sinister and diabolical 'Demons' lead by a fallen 'Archangel Lucifer' who became the demon prince Satan continues to rebel against God in spiritual warfare today. Evil would like you to believe that you are supremely smart enough and that you don't need God, or that God doesn't exist. Lucifer was granted the ability to be the greatest muse, the most beautiful music instrument of all time. Satan now uses his music ability to lie, cheat, steal and destroy. He's the father of lies. Satan isn't an atheist, but want's everybody to convert to 'atheism'. He knows that if you don't choose to serve God. You become his property. You don't want this. There are different levels of hell. The worst part of hell is probably in the middle of a 'Black Hole'. Black holes suck, literally. Thus answering singularities. The fallen soul can't leave, it's stuck there for eternity. It's also very uncomfortable. Very unpleasant. Lessor levels of hell where fallen souls burn for a very long time. Also very unpleasant.

Here's the good news. If you honestly ask Jesus Christ to enter into your heart and believe in God's son 'Lord Jesus Christ' who died on a cross about 2000 years ago and rose again from the dead, confess it with your mouth. You'll be saved. Please choose to believe and have a heart following and serving God's will.


John 3:16

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 28 May 2012, 05:16
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Post 30 May 2012, 04:53
The obvious answer is 'no', there are no gods. I'm surprised that this question is even being asked. What next? 'Do you believe in angels? The Pink Panther?'
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