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 27 Jan 2007, 19:08
right. this my seem like a stupid question, but the thought just entered my head, what would happen with antiques under communism? i mean things like old pianos, rare books and furniture, not worthy for a museum. usually it`d be middle-class [petty bourgeoisie?] owning things like that, and with a proletarian state, the owners wouldnt really be able to hang on to them and maintain them. or would they?
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Economic Left/Right: -8.88 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.85 27 Jan 2007, 22:41
Why not? If someone has an interest in antiques they should have no problem keeping and maintaining them.
27 Jan 2007, 22:45
I think the point was if people still collected under any of the communist regimes.
soviet78 should be the best one for this.. moved to Back in the U.S.S.R. (life in the East) 28 Jan 2007, 00:30
Soviet people did keep antiques of all kinds, mostly passed down to them from previous generations, but sometimes purchased (mostly from their fellow citizens, as the state would usually put most things handed down to it in museums and collections for public viewing). Most of the antiques privately owned were small items that could be kept in the apartments in which most people lived (ie nobody could really have a massive private collection).
Recently, millions of impoverished people have been forced to sell their trinkets to state museums and into the private collections of the few who have succeeded under capitalism. Meanwhile, perhaps billions of dollars in priceless state collections were stolen during the chaotic years of the early 1990s. 28 Jan 2007, 00:32
He's alive! Welcome back, man!
28 Jan 2007, 00:35
Thanks Kirov, though I haven't really been gone, so much as inactive.
28 Jan 2007, 09:47
As just soviet78 stated, people still collected antiques but it could be dangerous. As long as you weren't in disgrace you were safe, but if you began to loose ground you could be critisied just for having so many unproletarian things.
How could you for example explain that you had so many old icons in your home and still were a non believer and communist? But collecting icons wasn't alone to get you in trouble. 28 Jan 2007, 12:54
Quote: ... Maybe in Stalin's time. Even then it's not like the state would come into each home and check for 'unproletarian' items. You have the Soviet Union confused with Mao's China during the Cultural Revolution, or perhaps with Libria from the movie Equilibrium. The Soviet Union was a state condoning high culture and it's museum collections, education system and radio broadcasts (among other things) confirmed it. Oh, and I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but religion wasn't a crime, and though never encouraged by the state wasn't condemnded since the Great Patriotic War. 28 Jan 2007, 13:18
I wasn't talking of getting shot or deported for collecting antiques. I also didn't say anything about KGB or the police checked for "unproletarian" things. I was merely saying that collecting old "bourgeois" things wasn't exactly what a true communist should do. As long as nothing else happened you were safe. But if you began to be critisied the fact that you collected for example icons could be taken as a proof that you were no real communist.
28 Jan 2007, 13:28
Rem,
Where do you get all these untrue facts from? No one was shot or deported for collecting antiques.(Cambodia under Pol Pot might be the only example). My grandmother and I used to collect stamps from all countries and historical times. She also collected silver and gold itmes such as candle holders, forks, knifes etc. Not to mention old books and volumes. I really think you make all that stuff up us you walk along. Can you talk about things that are swedish instead of telling people how they have lived before? 29 Jan 2007, 16:05
For the third time, I wasn't talking of getting shot or deported for collecting old stuffs. I was merely saying that it wasn't anything a true communism was supposed to do. The bolsheviks/communist were building a new society then why would you wont old stuff such as icons. Icons which was a religious thing and religions "was an opium for the people".
I don´t know how I can make it more clearer. I try this example; In Sweden both men and female can become priests, the church try to hire equal. But a couple of years ago it only existed male priests and many people still think that female are inappropiate for beeing priest. If a male priest state that he doesn't like female priest he of course wont get fired but he wont be promoted. It's bad for his career and the great majority will think that he is an asshole. Right now I can't come up with any more sources than Arkady Shevchenko. Shevchenko has been critisied, but I don't have anything right now. Quote: I'm sorry I don't follow. You want to know swedish things? IKEA, Volvo, SAAB, the mouse to your computer, Nobelprize |
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