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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 27 Jul 2004, 07:46
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Post 08 Jun 2006, 14:28
Those lambasting Viet Nam (for whatever nonsensical reason) need to understand that it's nearly impossible most of the time to prosecute child sex tourists for a few reasons:

1) It's consensual. Tourists never abduct kids and rape them in some back alley at night, they go to brothels, pay a pimp, and then commit the crime behind closed doors.

2) There's no evidence left behind. Child sex tourists and those who run child sex brothels do not advertise their crimes, and on the rare occasions that foreigners are arrested and prosecuted, it's usually because they screwed up and let it slip that they had done what they did. Take Donald Bakker of Canada, for instance. The only reason he was convicted was because he had videotapes of himself abusing child prostitutes and didn't guard the secret carefully enough.

3) Most child prostitutes were sold into the industry by their parents. For this reason, there's no escape valve for the children, who depend on whatever meagre living conditions their pimps provide them with.

The penalties for committing paedophilia are just as tough in Viet Nam as they are in other countries in the region, and they are enforced to the letter of the law. It's just that, for the reasons I've outlined, it's very difficult to actually catch people committing the crime.

PS. I would sincerely appreciate it if we could take all this talk about the perceived and actual negative or positive benefits of tourism in Viet Nam to another thread. This is about a criminal, not your average tourist. Most tourists are not sex tourists. Take me, for example, I live here and I've never had sex with a prostitute.

Prostitution notwithstanding, I'm a foreigner in Viet Nam, are you ready to tell me to my face that my very prescence in this Socialist Republic means I'm betraying the principles of socialism and communism, that I should go back to my country? Isn't that a fascist line of thinking?
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 05 Nov 2005, 21:16
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Post 08 Jun 2006, 16:48
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disgraceful industries such as tourism


Tourism can be disgraceful, but it can also not be. Today much tourism involves foreigners looking at people like looking at animals in a zoo which is how a large amount of modern tourism is. But it can also be respectful and can be people learning about other nations and their history.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 01 Mar 2006, 08:59
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Post 09 Jun 2006, 21:37
I don't think Socialism can survive in isolation. This is a difficult problem. The Berlin wall option was one possible solution. In the end, perhaps the Yugoslavia option with regards to emigration was better, although I don't think it was a correct Marxist-Leninist country.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 03 Apr 2004, 12:16
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Post 23 Jun 2006, 02:50
gary glitter had a one hit wonder. a theme to go with space jam. or was is the mike tyson fight? whatever pedophiles be they famous or 50 year old men should hang. pedophilia is the worst thing you can do to a minor.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 16 Nov 2005, 17:55
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Post 25 Jun 2006, 02:50
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I don't think Socialism can survive in isolation. This is a difficult problem.


Socialism can survive in isolation, but barely. Tourism has its ugly side, but it does not necessarily degenerate a socialist society beyond repair. That said, it would be nice to see a more solid supportive COMECON-esque bloc form with Cuba, Vietnam, DPRK, and possibly Venezuela and Bolivia, thus eliminating the current need to pimp out to tourists.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 13 Jun 2005, 23:41
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Post 23 Jul 2006, 03:44
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That said, it would be nice to see a more solid supportive COMECON-esque bloc form with Cuba, Vietnam, DPRK, and possibly Venezuela and Bolivia, thus eliminating the current need to pimp out to tourists.


I'm fairly certain that Vietnam, like Laos, because of revisionist fiscal policy, has become quite capitalistic and has now resumed a pro-US pro-business foreign policy.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 02 Mar 2005, 11:16
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Post 23 Jul 2006, 06:05
In fact, the timespan needed to do all paperworks to establish a business in Vietnam is precisely two months. It is one of the easiest in the region.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 19 Aug 2006, 17:42
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Post 22 Aug 2006, 17:37
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Tourism has its ugly side



I remember reading an interview years ago with Camilo Guevara,,, che's son obviously named after camilo cienfuegos... mentioning tourinm in havana.

I don't think that this dark underbelly is selective just to tourism... any transient city like new york, chicago, which has people from all over in and out of the cities has prostitution......


oh here is that interview....
http://www.thechestore.com/Che-Guevara-interview-Camilo.php
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