your type I hate the most, blood hungry for conflict and glorious revolution bringing in a new future for the country, right?
Whoever posted above pointing out we are NOT nepal, or China, or the States, we are CANADA is right. We are a country not strictly built on bloody and revolution, nore are we a blood thirsty people. Canada is too peaceful, friendly, and liked to have armed conflict occour in it, If some idiot MLM group started shooting not only would we have C7's ready, but JTF2, and the UN, NATO, and NORAD all on standby. If you honestly think boycotting an election would do any good, and then start armed conflict, I would like to see you at a shooting range and we will see how well prepped you are in comparison to even a resurvist. Get your shit together, Communism needs a new image, one with less blood, and more togetherness, there is no way in hell armed conflict will go in this country, and there is no way boycotting an election will do us any good either.
Okay Canuck, you're just weird and uninformed.
I don't reject revolution. I support all progressive fighting forces in the world, if you look at the communist party of Peru, they did participate in election before the split, patria roja are revisionists but they don't participate in elections. In Nepal communists are illeagal so they cannot run. A lot of Maoists I talked to call half of the revolutionary fighting for socialism, revisionists, Marxist-Leninists like FARC-EP, Anarchists like the Zapatistas and ELN, all non-maoists fighting in Peru, all non-maoists fighting in Turkey and I'm not talking about the nationists, They called the greeks and the Portuguese revisionists when they had their civil wars. and so on. the RCP in the USA has existed since the 1970s, they don't claim to be the organized vanguard of the working class, why not condemn your maoist friends for not leading a revolution yet? Our party has no interest in winning the bourgeious elections, we think they are a bunch of bs. But really myself I don't have a strong opinion either way, vote or don't vote, I think voting for progressive people in the meantime instead of handing out leaflets to old folks saying "Did you know the revisionist scum communist party support voting this election?" and expecting this as a response "Damn sonny your right I never did like those communist party members, how do I get involved with the RCP?"
all im getting at is armed conflict wont get anyone anywhere and we should respect the current democratic system.
I think the main idea is that:
Government - Capitalism = armed conflict Its not that armed conflict is what we WANT, its just that its inevitable. Revolutions are a massive waste of resources but nevertheless are necessary. I think for a communist party to take part in elections in Canada it this point is totally rediculous... what can it accomplish? Partaking in elections while a mass revolutionary movement is mobilizing is a different story however, because at that time the masses are organized as an authority and therefore when reform fails (and it will) it will only contribute to the revolutionary struggle. ![]()
despite i'm not canadian, and don't know your reality... i disagree with RCP...
potential communist voters which don't vote, are helping right wing parties to get easier to power. and that's all... such an action, as a protest, could only have any positive effect if the RCP was already large enough to galvanize the majority of canadians. Imagine if half the pop didn't vote because they don't agree with the system... then it would have a purpose, and would open a possibility for a change. That change doesn't have to be violent, we can change the system by peaceful means, peaceful revolutions do exist. the point is... at the present circunstances it will help the capitalists... if you work to gain influence and power in the parliment, in local power, then you have the means to begin a change and help your people We call for your cooperation, in the hard but passionate struggle for a new society, where there’s no place for the exploitation of men by man, where conscious and free we shall build our own future, with Socialism and Communism!
Quote: Nope.. changing the faces of the system through peaceful means exists. a REVOLUTION however cannot be peaceful because no matter how passive you are in the act, you are still telling the old guard 'your services are no longer needed and you will now become the scum of our new society' ![]()
Okay, I for one don't believe revolution is a tea party. like these other guys.
The election does 2 things for us, it builds our organization and it brings in finances. In debates we get our message out. The law allows us to leaflet in apartment buildings during elections as when we're outside elections we can't enter apartment buildings, and so on. So I mean there is a point to participating in elections. If we really wanted to we could run 300 candiates in the election, but theres no real point to that.
well combine the CPC and MLP and its near 200 isnt it?
no about 90.
wow arnt my numbers off :P
There is no revolutionary class in Canada; or at least one that can vote in bourgeois elections.
Quote: So what you're saying is that communists should vote for certain right winged parties so that other right winged parties dont come to power? ![]()
just because a group is active in federal elections doesnt make them right wing, can you honestly say that the NDP is right wing? Theres no kidding that as of now our house is dominated by centeral-right wing parties, but before the more left-wing parties were even in federal politics it was a degreeing scale of Right, in time the left was introduced, and elivated by tom douglas(personal opinion).
If we all just tried gaining power by revolution, or forceful ways we would be no better than the ruling class. Following the democratic system, one which we want to give to the people is the way to go. Not only will it bring fourth the party to the public sphere, in the ways of which the green party did, but it will show that not all communists demand revolution.
You can't say that our nation has no democracy at all. Of course we face the same undemocratic problems from capitalism and flaws in our checks and balances.
For example, we might get a childcare program if we vote for the NDP. Gays could be legally able to marry if we get more NDP and Liberal (even the Bloc Québequois) MPs into the house instead of Conservatives. They're all capitalist, and will make decisions that can hurt the proletariat or lead us on the wrong path, but its worth it to vote for short term gains, if the election is as 'issue driven' as it is this time. I'm sure the proletariat is would rather have a chance at feeding themselves properly, and giving their families a good life, by possibly delaying the revolution they are not ready for. *
![]() I hope this doesn't get me banned again-Fontis Quote: Everything is relative, I'm speaking from a communistic standpoint. If a political party is for upholding the capitalist system or even softening the touch of a capitalist system, then yes, it is right winged. It is right winged because it doesnt want to break the old order to bring in the new, it only wants to mold the same old system to suit whatever parties needs. ![]()
It is still a good idea to make the conditions of the working class easier by voting in a less right wing party, which has plans to help the less fortunate.
What should happen is the scenario that you earlier described. People with the proper knowledge, people will go for the left-wing party, and once they aren't given it, they'll have a decision to make, on whether or not they want democracy. *
![]() I hope this doesn't get me banned again-Fontis
be pragmatic...
what is the effect of not voting in this election? what is it? just tell me that... how many non voters, to have any impact? we live in a capitalist society, we have to fight them with what we got NOW! Of course we want more, so much more! but we can't... we still don't have the conditions... and conditions might get worse if we don't defend what is still left! These are not times of progress, conquest or advances... we are struggling to defend, to resist! You want to take berlin when stalingrad is in a siege! that's the whole point... how can we create the conditions for a sucesseful revolution? That is our permanent strugle... political power is only a small tool to defend ourselves... We call for your cooperation, in the hard but passionate struggle for a new society, where there’s no place for the exploitation of men by man, where conscious and free we shall build our own future, with Socialism and Communism!
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Quote:so what? We have a Canadian version of Revcom and Chairman Bob now?
To vote or not to vote....
This question was addressed by Lenin nearly a century ago, just after the October Revolution. I suggest you read his article, Left Wing Communism: An Infantile Disorder. Note especially the chapter entitled 'Should we Participate in Bourgeois Parliaments?' Here is what Lenin has to say: Quote: And his conclusion? Quote: You call yourselves 'Marxist-Leninists', yet you seem to be unaware of what Lenin actually thought and wrote. "Comrade Lenin left us a great legacy, and we fucкed it up." - Josef Stalin
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