NBP Seminar Part 1

POST NOTE: I don't know where this goes, but if any moderator here in Red Square thinks of a better place, please do move it.

Anyways, I noted the general reaction to the NBP on this forum and decided to start a seminar with four parts.

1) NBP is not a Hitler cult.
2) NBP is not right wing.
3) NBP is not rascist.
4) NBP symbol, however much resemblance to a swastika, is not one and cannot be used as proof that NBP is fascist.

I have been working on an essay explaining the truth about the National Bolshevik Party. Here goes Part 1.


I am sure that you all think that the NBP is a Hitler-loving, fascist, racist organization. I am now going to prove all three accusations false. I am also going to show you TRUE Nazism.


POINT 1) You assume, from the armbands, flag colors, slogan (“Yes, Death!”) and anti-immigrant policy, that the National Bolshevik Party of Russia is a Hitler cult of neonazis. Incorrect! All of these assumptions are based on the world’s first despotic display of National Socialism. Yes, it is what NAZI stands for. I am not denying that National Socialism and Nazism are one and the same. I do, however, want you to forget, just for a few moments, that the horrors of Hitler’s rule did not exist and, to date, there has not been a potent display of National Socialism.

Would you now be able to make an unbiased judgment about National Socialism? Or do you need more?

Well, what is Nationalism? Nationalism is the feeling of devotion to one’s country, and it varies in degrees. Extreme nationalists have the feeling that foreigners are not welcome in their country, and could go so far as to kill them. The NBP is NOT that nationalist. Listen to this, straight off their Programme:

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”Russian” is defined not on blood and not on creed. THE ONE WHO CONSIDERS THE RUSSIAN LANGUAGE AND RUSSIAN CULTURE – HIS OWN, HISTORY OF RUSSIA – HIS OWN HISTORY, WHO HAS SPILLED AND IS READY TO SPILL THE OWN AND ANOTHER’S BLOOD IN A NAME OF RUSSIA AND ONLY FOR IT, ANY OTHER NATIVE LAND AND NATION DOES NOT THINK, IS RUSSIAN.

Let’s look for some key words.

NBP wrote:

IN A NAME OF RUSSIA AND ONLY FOR IT

That is true nationalism. Need more?

NBP wrote:

ANY OTHER NATIVE LAND AND NATION DOES NOT THINK

They are hereby established as this degree of nationalists, no less. And most certainly not more. Here is also from Point #23 of the Programme:

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NBP is not left and not right, but national party of Russians.

If you do not understand by now the relatively moderate degree of nationalism in the NBP, I am done discussing this with you. But what makes the NBP socialist? Check out Point #10:

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Russian Socialism, economic system

For more details on the NBP’s Programme, it’s not hard to find. This is in English: http://www.nbp-info.org/party/programm.htm

Or just find it.

http://www.nbp-info.org/

In Russian:

http://www.nbp-info.ru/

Now that the NBP has been established as nationalist AND socialist, you now say that they are Nazi. Very good, you are catching on. But as you will see, Nazism is a good thing.

As any Communist or Socialist should agree, the words "communist" and "socialist" have been tainted by a few corrupt dictatorships and Western Cold War propaganda. It is not worth mentioning that the good socialist states were almost completely ignored.

The same has happened with the word "nazi." A horrible, xenophobic, right-wing, rascist party led by Adolf Hitler is the picture that comes to one's mind, perhaps even concentration camps. Let me make it clear to you that I AM NO RASCIST, and yet can accurately call myself a nazi.

Just a few questions:

what does "Da Smert" mean?

what is the # of people in the NBP?

"da smert" means "yes, death!" I believe.

Correct. As for the number of members, I don't know offhand.

thanks. now i know what to yell when i'm charging down cappies in my basement!

capitalist rats?

No, figments of my imagination. My basement IS infested with crickets, but i prefer more nonexistant enemies. look:


CLEAR!


Comrades, we've retaken sergei's basement!


Ouch! Who put this ceiling here?


a celebratory march.

Hehe, now you should make a video with you screaming "da smert" while you run around in your basement re-taking couches.

It's no couch! That is the enemy's disguised radar outpost!

Nice hat.

Kamrat Johan wrote:

It's no couch! That is the enemy's disguised radar outpost!

Oops, of course it is! Can't believe I missed that. Man, the enemy is sure disguising things pretty well...

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But as you will see, Nazism is a good thing.

Nazism is a good thing?

Hitler aside, Nazism has its focus all screwed up and will always lead to facism or totalitarianism.

Considering something in the abstract ("the nation"), rather than people, to be the ultimate is a great way of promoting conformity and excusing horrible crimes. After all, when you kill the thousands who oppose you, you were doing it for the good of the nation! Wonderful.

Individual equality is forgotten when there is Nazism. People have no rights, only the nation has rights (and the nation, again, is abstract). It is pointless and dangerous. There is no way of saving Nazism to make it reasonable, fair or to make it accomplish its own goals without sacrificing way way to much.

No, no, no, you don't get it, the NBP is just the good nationalism and socialism, making them nazis, and nazis are fine!

Eyeflash, don't pick on the poor nazis.

Socialism and nationalism don't mix. At least not scientific socialism.

If the NBP are an acceptably socialist party, then explain to me why they want to
1. Create an iron-fist state (that is taken from their program)
2. Create an Empire (this is distinctly non-socialist....)
3. So heavily focused on the Russian ethnicity. As I recall, the former Soviet Union was incredibly multi-ethnic. That is the danger of this form of nationalism. The fact that it can become a danger to other nationalities in the same area. And has. Every day there are some nutcases attached to the NBP who commit hate-crimes.

I've read some of Eduard Limonov's works, and I sympathise with him, I really do, but this party is a joke. It's only supporters are punk teens who will grow out of it eventually. There is no working class that seems to support them.

Here is the NBP programme! And what you are so stubbornly quoting is a ten-year old document...

Papergut, was that to me?

Anyways Papergut, since you are, by and far, the authority of the NBP on this site. Then let me ask you,
1. The NBP are then, against a strong iron-fist state?
2. They have no plans to expand the borders of the RF against the will of bordering nations?
3. And what about non-Russian ethnicities, if this was a Pan-Slavic movement it would be much more understandable. But it's uniquely Russian, and that is the focus of it.

lol, worldlingo translated the name Edward Limonov to Edward of the Lemons

No, I wasn't addressing it to anyone in particular. Now, the questions.

1. Yes, most of nazbols want a strong iron-fist state. "Dictatorship of conscience is better than humanism of nothingness", they say.
2. No, NBP doesn't want to expand the borders of Russia at the cost of neighbouring nations by force. Even interrupt_00h mentioned it before.
3. When a nazbol says "Russian" he doesn't mean nationality but rather a person whose first language is Russian and who considers Russia his/her home. For example, 100% Tatars assimilated into Russian culture can be considered Russians as well.

These days, NBP is being torn apart by inner contradictions. You may have known that NBP consisted of different sorts of people - from communists and anarchists to liberals and ultranationalists. It seems to me that Limonov went nuts recently, since now he calls for close alliance with liberal capitalists and Islamisation of NBP. Many, if not all, low-ranked nazbols (especially in the regions) openly oppose this policy and call for re-election of NBP Central Committee. Some people say that NBP can split into two factions (green-orange and red-brown) or even collapse, but it may happen only if Limonov refuses to listen to the regions...