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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 18 Jun 2013, 20:46
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Post 14 Jul 2014, 03:07
Regarding the CPUSA, they pretty much approve of everything the Democrats do, so I would consider them to be Communist-related in name only. There are other groups out there, like the Party of Communists USA, a splinter group that did not approve of Sam Webb's parroting approval of Democrat issues. There's also the Revolutionary Communist Party, which, upon visiting the website, seems to be a cult of personality centered around a man named Bob Avakian. I realize that the only way for Socialism to take the place of capitalism and become Communism, is for attempting to band together the so-called Communist parties in the US together. I am affiliated with Northstar Compass, a Canadian-based propaganda magazine that I frequently write articles for. I would not join any party unless I was informed enough of their activities and true motives, because some are facades for illicit activities, especially parties on the far left and right of the political spectrum. I would discourage you from becoming actively involved in any party, but it is ultimately your decision to join.
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Post 14 Nov 2014, 05:40
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Regarding the CPUSA, they pretty much approve of everything the Democrats do, so I would consider them to be Communist-related in name only. There are other groups out there, like the Party of Communists USA, a splinter group that did not approve of Sam Webb's parroting approval of Democrat issues. There's also the Revolutionary Communist Party, which, upon visiting the website, seems to be a cult of personality centered around a man named Bob Avakian. I realize that the only way for Socialism to take the place of capitalism and become Communism, is for attempting to band together the so-called Communist parties in the US together. I am affiliated with Northstar Compass, a Canadian-based propaganda magazine that I frequently write articles for. I would not join any party unless I was informed enough of their activities and true motives, because some are facades for illicit activities, especially parties on the far left and right of the political spectrum. I would discourage you from becoming actively involved in any party, but it is ultimately your decision to join.


Greeting, Comrade:

I am a member of the Communist Party USA. I submit to you that, although the Party does indeed work with Democrats in helping them get elected, we do this only because they are the more Left of the two major parties in the USA. Unfortunately, the reality is that no Communist who is an open Communist has a chance in hell of being elected to office in the USA, which, as you may know, has a potent anti-Communist history. What we can do, and what we do in fact do, is agitate on the ground level on the shop floor helping to get strikes going, to get unions started, to get better treatment for employees at work, all the things that a Communist should do. I am working on a few things myself at the moment. So there you are.

Have I worked under the Democratic umbrella? Yes. I helped Obama get elected twice. I voted the straight Democratic ticket in two elections, and in one election, I voted Democratic for every office but one, where I voted Socialist Workers, which is a Trotskeyist party. HOWEVER, and that is the key word, I never underestimated the fact that Democrats, though Left Wing, are STILL Capitalists. At best some of them MAY be Socialists, which is unlikely in all but a few cases. 98% of them are indeed Capitalists, and any good Communist must never forget that.

The Democrats are always going to be the best of two evils. Let us always be honest about this. At the same time, we can work with non-Party persons of good will to do much good work in the world. Even among the bourgeoisie (which is what most of the Democrats are), there is the ability to find people of good will with whom we can work.

But, there are things about the Communist Party USA with which I am in disagreement, and one of them is that they seem in some ways to be a bit too complacent about things. Personally, I think we need to agitate a bit more. However, that having been said, lets look at our choices.

There is the Communist Party USA. They are a classic Marxist-Leninist party.

There is the Revolutionary Communist Party. They are a Maoist party. Their leader Bob Avakian currently lives in Europe. He is wanted on charges in the USA that he made threats to kill Federal officials (if my memory serves me correctly, and to be honest, it might not, but I know he is wanted for something awfully unpleasant that made him flee the country damn quick).

There is the Socialist Party USA. They are what they call themselves, a Socialist, rather than a Communist party. This is the party of Eugene Debs, and what-not. They are respectable enough, just not my cup of tea.

There is the Democratic Socialist Party USA. They are more like a Social Democrat Party that you might find in in a European country, say, Germany. Again, entirely respectable, as above, just not my cup of tea.

Finally, there are the Socialist Workers. I don't know much about them, except they are Trotskeyist. I don't know much about HIM, so I can't really say much. I know I voted for them once for political office in my State, more as a protest vote than anything else.

There may, of course, be other parties than I have enumerated here. I know that in about 12 States you have your Peace and Freedom Parties, that started in California, and they are at least theoretically Marxist-Leninist. And of course the Black Panthers are Maoist. And then there is the group that calls itself the
Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism. They are more "moderate" than the Communist Party, rejecting the concept of "Leninism", but permitting members to be dual members of itself and the CPUSA or the Socialist Party USA. So...

I think that ultimately, you will find what you are looking for in the Communist Party USA. But get involved! BE a Communist! I've been one since 2003, and only now am i starting to truly become active. So, don't wait. I had personal reasons for doing so, but I wish those things had not been there to cause that delay. Join us! And together, we have a world to win.
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Post 15 Nov 2014, 18:51
Yaakov001 wrote:
And of course the Black Panthers are Maoist.
Not the "New Black Panther Party." It's founder was kicked out of the Nation of Islam because he pretty much trolled the media by saying that the solution to everything was to kill white people. Their views of Marxism range from claiming it's "Eurocentric" to claiming that Marx was a lying white Jew devil.

The original BPP was influenced pretty heavily by Maoism though, yes. It was a leftist party, whereas the NBPP isn't even if a few individual members do hold views closer to the original BPP.
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Post 19 Mar 2015, 06:02
Yaakov001 wrote:
the reality is that no Communist who is an open Communist has a chance in hell of being elected to office in the USA


Even if a Communist was elected the capitalist state machinery would still be in place.

"But the working class cannot simply lay hold of the ready-made state machinery, and wield it for its own purposes." - Marx from the Civil War in France.
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Post 23 Jun 2015, 04:05
How does the Young Communist League USA compare to the rest of the party? They seem more committed to Marxism-Leninism and socialism then the CPUSA.
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Post 01 Jul 2015, 18:01
Red Brigade wrote:
How does the Young Communist League USA compare to the rest of the party? They seem more committed to Marxism-Leninism and socialism then the CPUSA.
That's not surprising, but it's still a branch of the CPUSA and still obliged to carry the CPUSA's program of tailing the Democrats. There's "Marxist-Leninist" groups inside the CPUSA as well but none of them have any chance of getting control.
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Post 02 Jul 2015, 04:47
Ismail wrote:
There's "Marxist-Leninist" groups inside the CPUSA as well but none of them have any chance of getting control.

I thought most of them had left to join the FRSO. Though, I would not advocate joining or supporting the FRSO because of their cover up of rape by members.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 17 Nov 2015, 22:40
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Post 27 Nov 2015, 20:37
If you have yet to join a party I do suggest the 'Party of Socialism and Liberation' or 'Party of Communists USA'. They are decent western parties, full of young, active and lively members.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 22 Oct 2004, 15:15
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Post 14 Jan 2016, 10:30
Remarks by Jarvis Tyner, a member of the National Committee of the CPUSA, on the direction of the party: http://newyorkcp.blogspot.ca/2015/11/it ... cpusa.html
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Post 23 Feb 2016, 20:01
By the way, I didn't even notice this until recently, but they have also disbanded their youth organisation. Almost a century of historical communist youth work, and it's gone with the stripe of a pen. The best way to recognise liquidationists is when they propose terminating youth work, especially when it's for "pragmatic" reasons. The other sign is when you liquidate your theoretical journal, which the CPUSA have also done recently.
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Post 24 Feb 2016, 04:58
I heard about that as well. It is shameful. And they have openly come out in support of Clinton as well.

I wish they would formally drop the "C" so we could get on with building a genuine CP.
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Post 24 Feb 2016, 10:47
Well, nothing is stopping anyone right now, and I believe there are some initiatives like the "Party of Communists, USA". Is that right? And previously existing groups like WWP, PSL, FRSO, etc. But all of these old and new parties are pretty fragmented right now, it seems to me. All busy with their own presidential campaigns, or those of the Democrats or some third party.

So it's hard to see a common practical basis for a national party. The geographical size of the USA doesn't help there either.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 02 Jan 2016, 14:43
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Post 24 Feb 2016, 19:47
Maybe one of the reasons why CP USSR was monolithic was because of these other socialist and labour political parties. Man, there should be easy consensus and strong cooperation among Party members. I remain a sympathizer of CPUSA and when I acquire my permanent visa three to four years from now, I will stand by CPUSA.
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Post 25 Feb 2016, 10:31
No 14 wrote:
Well, nothing is stopping anyone right now, and I believe there are some initiatives like the "Party of Communists, USA". Is that right?
The PCUSA was formed as a split by some former CPUSA members. It works with the American Party of Labor which, as you're probably aware, is one of the smaller groups identified as ML. It's not really part of some grand party-unifying effort.
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