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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 07 Dec 2013, 14:24
Ideology: Democratic Socialism
Unperson
Post 11 Dec 2013, 12:43
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Commun ... of_Britain

Anyone a current member, a former member or had any dealings with them?
I used to be quite close to them and was an strong supporter of them until recently when I learnt more about them and the regimes they support.
I was devastated when I was shunned by members of the NCP and I was persona non-gratia with them now because I refused to toe the party line on North Korea, Syria or Libya.
But I just felt that I could not remain a supporter of them and they must have felt that they didn’t need me. But how can you have solidarity with such authoritarian regimes?
When I questioned what was going in the Apple plants in China, workers paid $60 a week for 14 hr days, with little breaks, paid holidays and brutal overseers I was told that these were job people were queuing up to do! Possibly true, but how can communists support such exploitation?
Also their programme is riddled with inconsistencies and contradictions. The Labour government(s) of 1945 – 1951 are praised for the NHS, they can’t be praised for the welfare state as that was created by the National government in 1944, yet in 1950 the labour government sent troops to fight against the NK regime! Yet no regime is given higher praise, by the NCP, than the DPRK. Yet how can they praise both, when they fought against each other?
They now praise Bashar Al-Assad in Syria claiming that he is fighting against imperialism. As if Syria would not be imperialist, if they could get away with it.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 18 Apr 2010, 04:44
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Philosophized
Post 11 Dec 2013, 13:47
Yami, who exactly are you?

From your familiarity with the various parties in UK, you seem to be English (Scottish? Welsh?). Yet you don't write like a native English speaker.

Also, for someone who seemingly dislikes the USSR and Marxism in general, you're posting an awful lot here, all of a sudden, with no explanation of who you are or what position you're arguing for.

What's this all about?
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 07 Dec 2013, 14:24
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Unperson
Post 11 Dec 2013, 13:59
I never once said I hated Marxism, only the regimes that have claimed they are Marxist.
Every genuine socialist hated the USSR, it was a hell hole that most people were trying to escape from.
Why would anyone defend that?
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 18 Apr 2010, 04:44
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Philosophized
Post 11 Dec 2013, 14:19
Why would someone who hated CCCP sign up for a site named Soviet Empire?

Also, way to dodge my questions.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 07 Dec 2013, 14:24
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Unperson
Post 11 Dec 2013, 14:33
Because I lurked for a while and saw that not everyone here loved the USSR.
But why the empire in the title of the site, I thought you were opposed to empires?
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 04 Aug 2004, 20:49
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Embalmed
Post 11 Dec 2013, 16:45
We used to be a Red Alert 2 clan way back when, and alas no more, hence the tongue-in-cheek title.
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The Labour government(s) of 1945 – 1951 are praised for the NHS, they can’t be praised for the welfare state as that was created by the National government in 1944, yet in 1950 the labour government sent troops to fight against the NK regime! Yet no regime is given higher praise, by the NCP, than the DPRK. Yet how can they praise both, when they fought against each other?


There's not much of an inconsistency there, domestic policy is quite different from a government's foreign policy, the principle of the NHS is spot-on socialism that works and helps everybody in society.You can't estrange vested interests in the state from the interests of an elected governnment in any case. Remember when Harold Wilson was thereatened with a coup by paranoid jingoists?
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 07 Dec 2013, 14:24
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Unperson
Post 11 Dec 2013, 17:00
The nicest thing that they (NCP) have done is to republish the 1st chapter of Anti-duhring and offer it as a pamphlet at not bad price of £2 on their website.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 04 Aug 2004, 20:49
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Embalmed
Post 11 Dec 2013, 17:06
Actually it was publishing an Isaac Asimov article exposing how unimaginitive and terrible Orwell was as a science-fiction writer.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 07 Dec 2013, 14:24
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Unperson
Post 11 Dec 2013, 17:09
Now I liked that review, but I don’t think they were the original publishers of it, whilst I disagree with Ike’s review it certainly was entertaining and thought provoking. I thought it was more sour grapes from the sci-fi community that a ‘proper’ writer could do it better than them.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 04 Aug 2004, 20:49
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Embalmed
Post 11 Dec 2013, 17:19
Though Orwell's reputation is a complete mystery to me. None of his proe strikes me with vibrant and living imagery, characterisation is pretty two-dimensonal. Road to Wigan Pier was probably the best thing he did. I also remember reading "Shooting an Elephant" at school and thought: "yeah, this guy's an incompetent shitbag."
Asimov wasn't jealous of anybody afaik, he was just a widely read man, keenly intelligent and a great explainer/populariser of any complicated topic. Envy is unprofessional.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 07 Dec 2013, 14:24
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Unperson
Post 11 Dec 2013, 17:30
One thing that if funny though is that they never tell you how many party members they have. I’d guess it can’[t be many, around 70 or a 100 at a push. We know that in 1977 700 members left to join the NCP, but they expelled a lot in the first few years and have had a little growth. Any pics they publish of party events show and ageing and decrepit membership.
Though I have to admire their optimism, every year they have a bash to celebrate the October revolution and it raises about £100 for the party! At a £5 a ticket that says it all.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 22 Oct 2004, 15:15
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Politburo
Post 11 Dec 2013, 18:17
Comrade Gulper wrote:
Yami, who exactly are you?

From your familiarity with the various parties in UK, you seem to be English (Scottish? Welsh?). Yet you don't write like a native English speaker.

Also, for someone who seemingly dislikes the USSR and Marxism in general, you're posting an awful lot here, all of a sudden, with no explanation of who you are or what position you're arguing for.

What's this all about?


Anyone can ask and say what they want. It's good to have a bit of opposition, as long as people who do this actually engage themselves with the discussion instead of spouting phrases. I do wonder if this guy really wants to learn anything about these parties, or if his mind is already made up. With luck, more supporters of these parties will feel inclined to register and speak out.

What I don't quite get is why the NCP and CPB are different parties, aside from the historical date of their foundation, but maybe that's just ignorance. Do they differ from each other on points like how to relate to the labour movement and Labour Party, or on the programmatic matter of Britain's Road to Socialism?
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 07 Dec 2013, 14:24
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Unperson
Post 11 Dec 2013, 19:25
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Anyone can ask and say what they want. It's good to have a bit of opposition, as long as people who do this actually engage themselves with the discussion instead of spouting phrases. I do wonder if this guy really wants to learn anything about these parties, or if his mind is already made up. With luck, more supporters of these parties will feel inclined to register and speak out.

What I don't quite get is why the NCP and CPB are different parties, aside from the historical date of their foundation, but maybe that's just ignorance. Do they differ from each other on points like how to relate to the labour movement and Labour Party, or on the programmatic matter of Britain's Road to Socialism?[/quote]


The link from wikipedia should answer your last question, but yes, it does all hinge on the amendments to the BRS.

This link should help

http://www.marxists.org/history/etol/ne ... iefing.htm
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