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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 26 Jul 2013, 14:05
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Post 26 Jul 2013, 14:53
I am a member of CPGB-ML




About the CPGB-ML

Chairman: Harpal Brar
Vice-Chairman: Ella Rule
General Secretary: Zane Carpenter

An understanding of society (theory) and a way of uniting to change it (organisation) are the two things that we need to make a socialist revolution. Ordinary people in Britain have everything to gain by getting involved in this process sooner rather than later. This world isn't working for us and we deserve better!

Not only do we need to campaign against the bad conditions and lack of prospects for working-class people in Britain today, but we need to work for a completely different type of society -- one where people's needs decide everything.

So many problems face this world: environmental catastrophe, poverty, disease, racism and war. They'll never be solved while capitalism remains, but they could all be sorted if society was set up for the benefit of the majority rather than the private gain of a few billionaires.

Our party is different because we consistently apply Marxist science to all areas of our work, and we're not scared to tell it how it is. We refuse to be intimidated by the barrage of lying propaganda that fills BritainÕs mainstream media. It is the capitalists' job to try to stop us from building a socialist society; it is our job to do it anyway!

Challenge your ideas -- challenge their propaganda -- seek the truth -- serve the people -- change the world!

Some excellent videos on our YouTube channel
http://www.youtube.com/user/Proletarian ... n-GB&gl=GB

http://www.cpgb-ml.org/

Youth Wing- Red Youth
http://redyouthuk.wordpress.com/
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 07 Dec 2013, 14:24
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Post 09 Dec 2013, 22:11
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/File:CPGB-MLmayday.jpg

This image tell you all you need to know about the CPGB (ML)
I haven't stopped laughing.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 10 Sep 2006, 22:05
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Post 10 Dec 2013, 00:44
You mean communists actually in the street? What's so bad about that?
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Post 10 Dec 2013, 00:48
I agree it's a little edgy but it's not like other communists sects in the UK are much better.
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Post 10 Dec 2013, 01:23
I have no problem with Communists in the street (err, it's where we're supposed to be from, guys). But waving the banner of a dead man from a defunct state makes it look more like the festival observance of some kooky religious sect than a relevant political party. This isn't the East, where memories are long.

UPDATE YOUR SYMBOLS AND SLOGANS IF YOU WANT TO PROSPER IN THE 21ST CENTURY.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 14 Jul 2008, 20:01
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Post 10 Dec 2013, 07:42
NO, DON'T.

because the only people that really stick to this fetish for soviet aesthetics are stalinists. this is a good thing. it takes attention from them.
"Don't know why i'm still surprised with this shit anyway." - Loz
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Post 10 Dec 2013, 08:36
Except that rehabilitating Stalin in the West would be a revolutionary act in and of itself. Of we could break the conception of our most famous "villain" we're on the move towards some real shit.
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Post 10 Dec 2013, 08:54
It'll be a long, long time before the political climate in the USA changes sufficiently to allow anything like an objective view of the Soviet Union and the Cold War era to be the norm. It's been 150 years since the Civil War in this country, and we still have barely reconstructed secessionists and Confederate apologists holding significant sway in one of our two hegemonic political parties.

It would be easier to keep working toward a final victory for American Socialism using purely American symbolism and historical examples than to keep waving the banner for Stalin. We really need to work to "rehabilitate" Daniel DeLeon and Eugene Debs.
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Post 10 Dec 2013, 09:48
Nobody knows, or gives a fuсk, about DeLeon so rehabilitating him wouldn't be anything at all. Same with Debs but more because the Liberals already rehabilitated him (sanitized of revolutionary cred of course). America doesn't really need national icons anymore and rehabilitating Stalin is a direct rehabilitation of the Soviet state altogether. You're right when you say this isn't the east, and that's why Stalin is revolutionary for us, and backwards for them.

Also if we can't even make people think twice about Stalin, the whole communism idea is pretty much moot. Nobody buys the "well that was Stalin" line of argumentation anyways. We just sound like we're trying to have our cake and eat it too. But talking shit on basically every Marxist leader, even shitfuсks like Hoxha, Tito, and Ceausescu, carries the same baggage. Unfortunately this is the History we were dealt and we have to live with it as our legacy.
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Post 10 Dec 2013, 10:17
Stalin carries far too many negative connotations to be of any serious use these days. Maybe once communists hold significant political influence they can start to rehabilitate him, but that's a fair way off. Like it or not, in the West he stands next to Hitler in many minds and the anti-communists aren't merely content with that - they take every opportunity to explain why he is actually much worse.

If I was trying to get Communist ideas into mainstream Western political discussion I wouldn't touch Stalin. I'd rebrand the whole program at this point. Who cares what we call it? Clinging onto antiquated icons means that we are doing half our opponent's work for them by letting them judge us according to ancient history rather than the actual merits of our ideology.
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Post 10 Dec 2013, 10:20
This is sooooo wrong. We have to speak out what is. Of course I'll defend stalinism against bourgeois democracy, but I will always defend socialism against stalinism as well.
"Don't know why i'm still surprised with this shit anyway." - Loz
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Post 10 Dec 2013, 10:35
Except that Stalin and all his followers were/are Marxists regardless of how much Trots try to claim they aren't. It's a weak argument not necessary in this modern time. Also don't give me this whole Stalinism is why the USSR died argument. Trotsky wasn't able to solve the bureaucracy either as clearly evidenced by his ouster. But that is not the purpose here, I defend Trots as Marxists even though their ranks are infiltrated by all kinds of pink liberals and social democrats. So grow up and stop with this "ur nut commie lol" bullshit. Shit ain't conducive to the ICM dawg.

@shig: okay, um if we can't even say positive things about Stalin we're fuсked. But you seem to be one of those in-a-thousand-years-maybe-we-can-have-socialism.
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Post 10 Dec 2013, 11:20
Dagoth Ur wrote:
@shig: okay, um if we can't even say positive things about Stalin we're fuсked. But you seem to be one of those in-a-thousand-years-maybe-we-can-have-socialism.
If you can discuss him in a positive light and get people to listen and not just dismiss you as a Stalin apologist you are doing very well and I salute you.

Modern times have demoralized me somewhat and I don't take enough drugs to avoid occasional bouts of pessimism.


Mabool wrote:
This is sooooo wrong. We have to speak out what is.
How many of you were open to the idea that Stalin was actually a good guy when you first encountered communist ideas? For me it was only once I understood (to an extent) the background and history that I came to consider that possibility.

Conventional bourgeois "wisdom" portrays him as a terrible tyrant and assuming they're wrong about everything means they might be wtong about Hitler being a bad guy too, so clearly that's not a sound approach either. You need to examine these things in a case-by-case basis.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 07 Dec 2013, 14:24
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Post 10 Dec 2013, 12:04
Stalin was an evil man who murdered millions of workers in the USSR. What good did he ever do? His crimes are legion, crimes against the working classes and humanity. The CPGB (ML) exist as a sort of left-wing version of holocaust deniers, they seek to downplay Stalins crimes. On the one hand they tell us he only executed around 10 000 people yet on the other every one of his victims deserved it, so why worry about the numbers. They truly believe that the show trails were genuine trials and not a travesty of justice.

But going back to the picture, I love the bibs they wear!
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Post 10 Dec 2013, 12:14
Yami, you should make a post in the Introductions thread so that we know what your views are, as well as what background you're coming from. It's hard to jump into a dialog with new members without these things.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 07 Dec 2013, 14:24
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Post 10 Dec 2013, 12:28
Comrade Gulper wrote:
Yami, you should make a post in the Introductions thread so that we know what your views are, as well as what background you're coming from. It's hard to jump into a dialog with new members without these things.


Thanks Gulper, I’ll check out that section and write a brief bio, for anyone interested. But let’s just say I’m no fan of the CPGB (ML) and Stalinists.
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Post 10 Dec 2013, 12:39
Stalin was worse than Hitler IMO. Hitler was a servant of capital and never denied that. He was quite open about what Nazism would bring.
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Post 10 Dec 2013, 12:44
I can't agree with that. Regardless of what excesses Stalin may have wrought in the Soviet system, it was able to recover and prosper under his successors, up until the very moment that the traitors Gorbachev and Yeltsin did their dirty work.

If Hitler had won the war or forced a truce, his successors would have gone on murdering "undesirables" and generally running Germany into the ground until there was nothing left to steal. No "reformation" of fascist Germany was ever possible. Just remember who Hitler's presumed heirs were - people like Himmler and Goering.
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Post 10 Dec 2013, 13:00
Yeah, i guess you're right. But still, Stalin will go in history as one of the worst gravediggers of revolutions and as one of the worst butchers of communists.
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Post 10 Dec 2013, 13:31
Comrade Gulper wrote:
I can't agree with that. Regardless of what excesses Stalin may have wrought in the Soviet system, it was able to recover and prosper under his successors, up until the very moment that the traitors Gorbachev and Yeltsin did their dirty work.

If Hitler had won the war or forced a truce, his successors would have gone on murdering "undesirables" and generally running Germany into the ground until there was nothing left to steal. No "reformation" of fascist Germany was ever possible. Just remember who Hitler's presumed heirs were - people like Himmler and Goering.


So we are supposed to get the millions who were executed? The gulags and the repression? 20 million perished under Stalin, one way or another, at the hands of the NKVD, famine, deportations, executions and the gulag.
Why are left-wingers still apologising for the crimes of Stalin? if Nazis tried to apologise for the crimes of Hitler we'd rightly shout them down.
Stalin did win the war and his successors did go on mudering undesirables in Eastern Europe.
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