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A genuine Marxism-Leninism is absolutely neccessary...

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 30 May 2009, 19:37
Ideology: Marxism-Leninism
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Post 27 Jan 2012, 20:07
It is hard to find anyone that understand what Communism and Marxism-Leninism truthly mean today in my country (Vietnam). A country which have a Communist Party since 1930, gained independence from French colonism under the leadership of CP and defeated the American Imperialism in Vietnam War, now it is sad to see that communists become rare, near extinction, and "in Red Book of Endangered Species".

And what is the consequence? The proletarianization of people is growing, the sweatshops of monopolists are spreading like weeds. Worker strikes are becoming more common, but powerless because they are not organized. This is the consequence of lacking a Communist Party.

Some people say: "But there is a CP in Vietnam, and it is leading the country!". The CPV is only have a "communist" shell, in reality, it is a party of bourgeosie class, not of proletariat. And having a CP like CPV is worse than not having a CP at all! Because it disorganizes the worker's struggle, lure the workers away from genuine communist road. Workers are powerless in current situation, petty-bourgeosie (farmers, intelligentsia, small traders) are become more discontent, and they are turning into religion because there are no revolutionary organizations to lead them.

So it is definitely neccessary to have a genuine Communist Party. But what is a genuine Communist Party? In my opinion, the contemporary KKE is good example, if not a model for a genuine CP. KKE has a scientific view on CCCP, on current revisionist way of China, Vietnam, on the importance of Communist Party. KKE doesn't deny the progressive role of CCCP, but KKE isn't afraid to criticise CCCP's error, and even its error too. Two years ago, when surf many CP websites to find their way to socialism, I came to KKE homepage by chance. And after I finished reading their programme, I was enlightened. Now, seeing the struggle of workers organized by KKE in Greece, I believe that KKE is not a party of talk, but a party of do, build, organize and fight. Salute to the KKE!

My goal now is to build a party like KKE in my country... I myself can not do it but I will find more comrades with same ideas, teach people about Communism, get contact with workers, so we can build a party of proletariat here.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 30 Aug 2008, 18:12
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Post 27 Jan 2012, 23:17
Well I'm no expert on Vietnam or the current situation there but I do have a few points to make from your post.

First, Vietnam has never been through the capitalist stage of production as an independent nation-state. We must remember this is a necessary stage upon which to build socialism.

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And what is the consequence? The proletarianization of people is growing,


Is this not a good thing? People used to be peasants. To move from peasant to proletarian is a good thing.

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the sweatshops of monopolists are spreading like weeds. Worker strikes are becoming more common, but powerless because they are not organized. This is the consequence of lacking a Communist Party.


Yes, this is not what people have in mind for the rule of a communist party, but we must remember that it is necessary for a time. It is thanks to these manufactures that Vietnam's economy is booming and its infrastructure is developing. This is needed to build the capitalist base upon which socialism can then be built. We just have to hope that the communist party will implement socialist policies once more when the desirable levels of development (both social and material) have been achieved.

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it is a party of bourgeosie class, not of proletariat. And having a CP like CPV is worse than not having a CP at all! Because it disorganizes the worker's struggle, lure the workers away from genuine communist road. Workers are powerless in current situation, petty-bourgeosie (farmers, intelligentsia, small traders) are become more discontent, and they are turning into religion because there are no revolutionary organizations to lead them.


Well pretty much all M-L parties have never actually allowed themselves to be governed by the masses. Some would argue that the party was destined to end up like this because of the lack of democratic channels. If you are trying to look at it more optimistically, one could say this is a price that the Vietnamese working class must pay in order to accelerate the development of their country. Countries like Vietnam depend on foreign investment because of the material and technological benefits they provide. Foreigners will be reluctant to invest if the proletariat are constantly going on strikes and trying to raise their wages. The party realises this and so cracks down on organised labour so as to favour Vietnam in the long run.

Not very nice (or democratic) but if it builds the base for genuine socialism in Vietnam then we may come to excuse these actions in the future.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 29 Jan 2012, 02:34
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Post 01 Apr 2012, 12:52
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My goal now is to build a party like KKE in my country... I myself can not do it but I will find more comrades with same ideas, teach people about Communism, get contact with workers, so we can build a party of proletariat here.


Whats important is that a new party breaks new boundaries, that it is seen as fresh and new in the eyes of both communists and proletarians.

Although there is no denying that the KKE has as a very rich history(as they themselves are proud to admit) when it comes to communist struggle, I don't think the KKE is the perfect model of what a new communist party should be.

I think that the next communist party should be as democratic and anti-bureaucratic as possible. This new communist party should be capable of summing up and learning from other communist parties' mistakes also. It should serve as a genuine educational platform towards the proletariat, luring them away from the lies/myths surrounding communism.

It should adopt a peaceful struggle program suited to current regional conditions that it operates in, slowly building up a sizable cadre over time

It will take much effort. One cannot just "create" a new communist party from thin air and suddenly lead the masses to victory! The Bolshevik Party existed for years, and faced countless crackdowns and other forms of relentless oppression, before it rose to finally bring about full-blown socialism in Russia in 1917, however imperfect.

I wish you the best of luck comrade!
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 19 Mar 2012, 00:06
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Post 01 Apr 2012, 13:16
Cooperatives and collective farms in Vietnam are highly organized and viable organizations that were set up after having been disillusioned by complete collectivization with no private plots to divide among the peasants. But everything has settled accordingly according to the economic and scientific laws of socialism. Disciplined labour forces are contented with their salaries and can travel to the cities to buy their coveted retail goods. Market socialism worked well in Vietnam as well as in China. Vietnam has no budget deficits. If they sense that a deficit will register, the economic planners make some adjustments. They are not indebted to World Bank unlike USA.
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