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The state of the Russian Communist movement today

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 11 Dec 2010, 00:06
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Post 30 Dec 2010, 14:20
I think this is a theme interesting to almost everyone here at SE and as I have a bit of inside knowledge im going to tell you how the movement is doing in my honest opinion.
The movement in Russia is dominated by an ideology called national-communism.
This ideology has tried to (and very scientifically unsuccessfully) make a link between traditional Russian nationalism i.e. Anti-Semitism the Russian orthodox church and so on with some of the ideas of Marx Engels Lenin and Stalin.
The main ideologist of this idea and one of the main ideologists for the CPRF is some one called Sergie Stroev. Ive read some of his works and a professors to be a convinced Marxist.
Now the key to understanding the nation communism in Russia is thus. The Soviet Union for all its atchievents elevated the ethnic Russian to a prestigious position with in that Union of Republics. This really begins in the late Stalin period when Stalin himself is supposed to have said that with out the RUSSIAN (not soviet) people the war could not have been won. Of course the Russian people were the ethnic majority in the USSR and the Russian language was the common language of all subjects of the former Russian Empire. What the Soviet experiment and in fact and Socialist country has not done and I believe in the bourgeois nationalist epoch is impossible to do is bring to people a real sense of internationalism.
Its Ok for us Communists to harp on about internationalism but the reality of the aftermath of a Revolution is a hard one. You’ve taken power in a weekend and drained country. Your revolution is necessarily a national one. You’ve have taken the place of the former government of a country with one border and a united language. These become the borders and language of your revolution. The people will not be prepared to carry on fighting over there borders unless put under some kind of duress.Ok that’s an of subject rant. Ill explain this national communism in detail later but it is the main ideology of the biggest “Communist” party in Russia. Soviet achievements are now seen as Russian achievements. The people of Jewish nationality who helped to make the Russian Revolution are blamed for the civil war and “Chaos” of the revolution. Stalin who according to some of there ideas was a Russian Orthodox believer was the savoir against evil Jewish designs. It gets worse from there. The CPRF doesn’t openly say this but a lot of its members think like that. The CPRF sticks to the official soviet history of events but secretly a lot of its members and leaders are plain and simple nationalists.
The are a lot of small orginasations-Troskysm is very weak in Russia its get few supporters I never saw any Trots and demos there.
The AKM/Rot Front/Levi Front is quite an ideologically sound small organization but prone to splitting, dissolving, reforming and so on.
The Russian Communist Workers Party who split from the CPRF in the early 90s has some good ideas but no credibility and I have to say that I didn’t see them and many meetings or Demos.
The NBP with whom I also closely worked is not communist or socialist its fascist. I worked with them because I had the mistaken idea that they were a radical Bolshevik party but they are really just the true face of this National-Communism nonsense. Anyway they’ve lost themselves now. The leader Limonov going over to the liberals and the ordinary members completely confused as to what they stand for.
I can understand the national liberation spirit that is pervasive in the Russian movement today. Most occupied third world countries Com Partys have the same sort of ideas but in Russia it carries with it a quite disgusting anti-Semitism.
Having said that in Russia there are some real Communists and very good comrades at that. But they at risk of being lost either to Trotskyism or a liberal doctrine because some so called Russian Communists are putting across a misguided national savoir ideology about Stalin. And when you say to some of these hard core national-communists that Stalin wasn’t even Russian you get called a Jewish or Zionist liar.
I’m a very active member of the forum on the website of the CPRF. There even moderators are anti-Semitic and allow such themes as the “ethnic make up of Socialism” “Russian national Socialism” “The bourgeois reaction against Nationalism” “The Yiddish 5th collomists” and so on. I complain constantly about the holocaust deniers (Holocaust denial is almost a staple amongst Russian National-Communists, even when you say, aren’t you proud that your granddad liberated these poor people from the concentration camps you get called a Jewish lair again)Im on quite good terms with one National-Communist I think I can turn him but he keeps saying that Im a true Arian Proletarian and that one day all of white Europe will live in the Soviet Empire-its fukd up. I argue but to no avail. Many like me have been banned from the CPRF forum for “Trotskyism” they wont ban me though because im English and it would look bad. Anyway ive got to go now but there’s more to write. Write your ideas Comrades!
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 07 Nov 2010, 01:24
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Post 30 Dec 2010, 15:45
Yes it's very hard for radical russians to not fall in that hole , i myself been quite nationalistic for a time.
I think it has alot to do with all the crap that goes around about the soviet union ; people fail to realise that it's only ment to denounce communism and instead take it personal.

For me nationalism is also pretty much the reason the soviet union felt , During the coldwar the comparty failed to educate the masses properly of what exactly the soviet union was doing and why.
So in the end the country was not kept together by communist ideology but by nationalism and as we know that's a double edged sword.

Iron felix i've got a question, can Zhyganovs party be considered serious or have they fallen in to the parlementary style governing ?
We need to make revolution so our kids wont grow up in corporate prostitution
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 11 Dec 2010, 00:06
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Post 30 Dec 2010, 15:57
They are no longer a Revolutionary Party. In 1993 when the Russian people might have been able to swallow a Communist/Patriotic siezure of power Zyugdanov is supposed to have said "The Russian people have had enough of revolutions" For that his leader of Zyugdanovs youth affairs Nikolai Gubkin said he should be put in stocks and peltted with tomatos in Red Square. Comrade Nikolai Gubenko become one of the founding members of a terrorist group called Millitary Revolutionary Committe and is in prison now.
In the CPRF however there are lots of good members and activists but they are being lead astray by the opportunistic leadership.
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Post 05 Jan 2011, 16:39
Would you say, Iron Felix, that most Russian Communists are in part also Eurasianists? The nostalgia for the Soviet Union is perhaps not so much a longing for an ideology but more for an experience which has been lost? Of course there are the material conditions which have changed since the Soviet collapse which no doubt serve as an obvious source of grievance, however do you not also feel that this longing for the old USSR is also partly a longing for an old experience of which Russia was a part? So when they raise the hammer and the sickle, its a feeling of "Bring back the good old days?" and the Internationale is something of a nostalgic patriotic song there? In terms of international policy, is it that they want the USSR to return because of its presence as a power of which they were a part and not so much for Communist motivations? Is this the essence of movements such as National Bolshevism which essentially call for something like a reconstructed Soviet Union but without the Marxist base? To me, from what I have read and understood, there seems to be a longing for the Soviet experience, perhaps not really the ideology of Marxism Leninism.
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Post 06 Jan 2011, 17:55
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Would you say, Iron Felix, that most Russian Communists are in part also Eurasianists? The nostalgia for the Soviet Union is perhaps not so much a longing for an ideology but more for an experience which has been lost? Of course there are the material conditions which have changed since the Soviet collapse which no doubt serve as an obvious source of grievance, however do you not also feel that this longing for the old USSR is also partly a longing for an old experience of which Russia was a part? So when they raise the hammer and the sickle, its a feeling of "Bring back the good old days?" and the Internationale is something of a nostalgic patriotic song there? In terms of international policy, is it that they want the USSR to return because of its presence as a power of which they were a part and not so much for Communist motivations? Is this the essence of movements such as National Bolshevism which essentially call for something like a reconstructed Soviet Union but without the Marxist base? To me, from what I have read and understood, there seems to be a longing for the Soviet experience, perhaps not really the ideology of Marxism Leninism

You’ve more or less got it comrade. They miss their old ways of doing things. It’s more like conservatism to be honest.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 11 Feb 2011, 03:04
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Post 11 Feb 2011, 05:50
Iron Felix, as I understand you know Russian. So if you want to get information about sane Russian communists - I can give some links to read:
Russian Communistic Worker Party - Revolutionary Party of Communists (RCWP-RPC)
Revolutionary Communistic Union of Youth (RCUY)
Their forum

I have imoression that you talked exceptionally with representatives of Russian lunatics...

P.S. "In confidence": in CPRF there is big internal split now; party "leaders" fling mud at each other. So I suppose many sane people who fed up with this nationalistic and opportunistic bullshit will go out soon.

P.P.S. I don't know, but may be in RCWP-RPC or RCUY somebody can help with your idea of Yorkshire Communistic Party department or what you plan.
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