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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 11 Dec 2010, 00:06
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Post 16 Dec 2010, 11:16
Im currently disscusing this with some comrades in the CPRF and the New Communist Party in GB. Is thier anyone here representing any communist partys who would like to help with this project? Were wanting the new Comintern to be based in Russia under the guidance on the CPRF. Im wanting to get the communist party of China, Vietnam, Cuba on board as well as the Workers Party of Korea. Ok these are long shots but youve got to try havent you! All Interesed plaese join the debate! Ho Chi Mihn, Tito, Bela Kuhn all learnt thier trade there I want a new generation of these to set the world alight!
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Post 16 Dec 2010, 15:02
Is CPRF a revisionist party?
I've been hearing contradictory evidence and opinions on this matter...
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Post 16 Dec 2010, 16:54
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Were wanting the new Comintern to be based in Russia under the guidance on the CPRF.

No... not again....
Moscow-led parties gave way to the demise of the latin american left. I mean, the traditional left, not the new popular left like Chavez and Evo.
Parties should be led locally, in touch with the national and regional problems.
A coordination of the international struggle, with lots of debate and equal representation, is fine. But guidance of the CPRF is useless. They're not even in power in Russia... how can they guide other parties??


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Post 16 Dec 2010, 17:29
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No... not again....
Moscow-led parties gave way to the demise of the latin american left. I mean, the traditional left, not the new popular left like Chavez and Evo.


This.

Also, why Russia? The CPRF seems to be a completely arbitrary choice.

Also, what makes you think that all of these Communist parties would prioritise socialist world revolution when most of them don't even implement socialism in their home countries? Theres no way that I'd put my arse on the line for a bureucrat from the CCP.

And finally, are you having delusions of grandeur? Which organisation do you represent? Why do you think your efforts will cause these large CPs to abandon their years of diplomacy in order to declare war on the West once again?
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Post 17 Dec 2010, 09:04
These are all very good points and this is exactly the kind of debate I want to hear. Good question why Russia? I see it as the spiritual home of communism. All the current ruling communist partys of the world all came from there. Its a good point as to weather they would remeber this fact when asked to join though. Its an idea from within the CPRF im just trying to find out what people think about it.
As some of you might know I believe in Russia the desisive battles of the world revolution will be fought. Geographically Russia is ideally placed to unite the workers of east and west.
I see here that there are many for the Latin-American style socialist revolutions. Thats good, thats a positive start. I just think that Euro-Asia will be the desisive facor in the world revolution.
The CPRF is a party of comprimise but hasnt lost some basic tennents of Marxism-Lenninism and is a supporter of Stalin it makes sense for me to be with them. There are groups with in the CPRF which are working towards for a more radical outlook.
The CPRF still pulls some wieght with its former communist dependecies like China Korea Cuba and Vietnam. They think that they could pull of a new Comintern. Members of these communist parties go the confrences of the CPRF. I think they are just trying to keep there foot in the door on the off chance that the CPRF wins power in Russia or somthing like that. Im not just sayin that only these established Communist Parties would be invited to join. It would be great to see other orginaisations involved. Zyugdanov is on good terms with Chavez and Morales so why not invite them. When I heard the idea I did have my doubts and still do. Its not likely that these parties are going to throw there all in behind the cause of world revolution again but it could be a start. I would like to make clear that ive just be asked to put the idea out there to english speakers by my comrades in the CPRF. There are others working in other languages.
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Post 17 Dec 2010, 20:55
I truly don't believe that the cuban communist party or the chinese one will accept leadership from Moscow.
China already split in the 60's and now is a global power. Why would they bow to anyone?
Cuba was left alone during the Special Period and his trying hard to improve their economy. What can the CPRF offer? Even if they win an election (still very far from that - even being the second main party) all industries are now private and there is no central planning. It'll take years for Russia to be in a position to help others. There's a lot to do in Russia before that.
The PSUV is an impressive politcal party. It has become the main socialist party in south america and has strong links to all parties in the region. Why would they abide by Moscow? There are no historical links from the CPRF to the PSUV. The old communist party, the PCV is outside the PSUV, but support Chavez' government.

Maybe, if the CPRF gains control of Russia, it could be invited to join ALBA. Although it's a regional alliance, it could get a special membership. In the ALBA there is coordination of the parties, no leadership from one to another.

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Good question why Russia? I see it as the spiritual home of communism.

Don't get me wrong, I love Russia. I've been studying their language and culture for some years. I even went there last September. But in politics, spirituality means very little. Whoever has the power will be able to lead a Comintern, and it'll be better if none does. I mean, again, no one should lead another country's party but the members of that party. And the CPRF has good connections, but no power at all.


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Post 20 Dec 2010, 09:50
I also think that the CPRF needs power to be take seriosly with this request. They do have this idea about doing communist tours of Russia for visiting communist delegations which they want me to circulate though. They want me to be the tour guide as I speak English and Russian. Sounds interesting eh))))) I think ill start a theme about it!
+Che Burashka, I personally know the guy who invented that slogan. His name is Nikolai Gubkin. Hes in prison now. He had a political group as the Soviet Union was collapsing called Millitary Revolutionary Commitee. As you know your history you will know where that name came from. He and a few other comrades wanted to keep true to the communist cause and went about comitting acts of urban guerilla war fare. Blowing up new statues of the Tsars that were put up and so on. His group saved Lenin from being taken from the mausoleum. Its a funny story actually. Ill tell you later if you want. But now his in prison for a long time. Read about him on the net I dont want to talk about it here.
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Post 20 Dec 2010, 14:30
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He had a political group as the Soviet Union was collapsing called Millitary Revolutionary Commitee.

RevVoenSovet? (nas v boi zovet...
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I have a few questions for you:
Do you take any actions against the oligarchs?
Is it true that,in 1993,nationalists and communists fought side by side against Yeltsin?
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Post 20 Dec 2010, 15:40
They still fight side by side. The CPRF forum is riddle with nazi scum. Нас в бой зовёт)))))))))Красная Амрия чёрный барон A great song)))))))
Thats them. All there members are old or in prison now though but im in contact with them. A statue of Lenin was blown up two weeks ago they promise a reply)))))))))
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Post 11 Feb 2011, 15:24
I think that nowadays Comintern doesn't need a permanent location. Some operative coordination of communistic organizations can be provided with a help of internet and other communications. Periodical congresses can be conducting in different countries (criterion of choice should be discussed). If it will rich of some influence and authority we can talk about headquarters, but now it's senseless.

Idea about CPRF is nonsense. If forget that CPRF is opportunistic and partially nationalistic party there is no any reason to make them leaders as any another Russian communistic party. Russian left movement is in the same deep a** as entire world one.

So modern Comintern can be created just as union of equal in rights communistic organizations from different countries... I dare say.
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Post 14 Feb 2011, 13:43
Hello everybody. Excuse me for my English)))

The process of new Comintern's formation can't be like this: "We want a new Comintern! Oh, OK, let's do it! Here is it."

First, it must be really _Communist_ International. A union of communist parties. CPRF in Russia, CPC in China and so on - they aren't communist at all. Zyuganists talk about "market socialism" and "supporting of local industry" (just a business protectionism). Chinese "CP" do all this idiotism in reality. Moldavian "CP" do all this and supports NATO. So what a...? Communists must not cooperate with all this sh*t.

KKE in Greece has made a very good analysis about world left movement and forming of an ideologically strong communist pole in it. This is the only real base for a new Comintern. There are meetings of communist parties, there is international theoretical magazine "International Communist Review" with pages in English, Greek, Russian, Spanish, French. There is cooperation among communist parties and class-oriented trade unions in their practical work.

So step by step this cooperation will become deeper and more regular, and we'll achieve the goal - a new Comintern.
It's a big work to get real working structure of _communists_, not a simple action "let's unite in a big formless right-left pile".
And the work is proceeding.
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Post 22 Feb 2011, 16:40
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Hello everybody. Excuse me for my English)))

The process of new Comintern's formation can't be like this: "We want a new Comintern! Oh, OK, let's do it! Here is it."

First, it must be really _Communist_ International. A union of communist parties. CPRF in Russia, CPC in China and so on - they aren't communist at all. Zyuganists talk about "market socialism" and "supporting of local industry" (just a business protectionism). Chinese "CP" do all this idiotism in reality. Moldavian "CP" do all this and supports NATO. So what a...? Communists must not cooperate with all this sh*t.

KKE in Greece has made a very good analysis about world left movement and forming of an ideologically strong communist pole in it. This is the only real base for a new Comintern. There are meetings of communist parties, there is international theoretical magazine "International Communist Review" with pages in English, Greek, Russian, Spanish, French. There is cooperation among communist parties and class-oriented trade unions in their practical work.

So step by step this cooperation will become deeper and more regular, and we'll achieve the goal - a new Comintern.
It's a big work to get real working structure of _communists_, not a simple action "let's unite in a big formless right-left pile".
And the work is proceeding.


Don't worry about your English. Your post is easy to follow, and that's good enough.

I completely agree with this post. There is a vast amount of international cooperation between communist parties already, but it's a good thing that they are looking beyond simply resurrecting the Comintern out of nostalgia, or because they want to pile all the "left" parties together. If they continue working patiently and determinedly, a new communist international will exist someday.
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Post 27 Nov 2011, 19:02
If the said parties as an arrangement is forming an international, it could at best be something like the second international with Kautsky at the helm.

There is pressing necessity of an international is true. The absence of an international platform was with all probability one of the major reasons why the communists of other countries have failed to fight the Kruschevite revisionism both directly and by creating a favorable condition within the USSR.

But mere desire will not work, even though it may guide. Lack of sincerity was not the reason for collapse of the socialist block. The soviet soldiers even for wrong reasons also shed blood in Afghanistan out of sincerity which today all try to forget.

The basic point to my understanding is that there cannot be a revolutionary organization without the revolutionary theory. The revolutionary theory of today should answer all questions related with the collapse of socialism in a satisfactory way. But today, among the communists, lack of clarity, severe differences in perceptions etc are ruling. There are some co-operation between some parties is true. But still with the present degree of differences, at best an anti-imperialist unity is possible. The primary struggle is the release of an ideological struggle which will create the ideological unity based on Marxism which will be the favorable condition for unified organization. Which party in the world will play the leading role with sufficient expertise in ideology and politics, history will say. In history emergence of Marx-Engels as the ideological leaders of working class fighting all other trends created precondition for first and second international. Similarly emergence of Lenin created 3rd international.
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Post 11 Dec 2011, 12:17
I agree with Vadim's above post. A Commintern could be created and run via the Internet. It would be easier for all of the delegates (Or whatever) around the world. But, then again, I think to myself, how many parties would really participate in such a thing. China is currently a Global Superpower and is competing with America for Trade. Cuba has just recently authorised a law that means people can now buy and sell Private Properties. Not to mention the fact that a large amount of Communist parties around the world collapsed long ago.

I like the idea of a new Comintern, but I would have to say personally in order to make any sufficient progress, we should consider not just Communist, but perhaps Socialist parties? I may not be making any sense here but Socialist parties in successful Socialist countries such as France, Italy, Spain etc... But also have parties from smaller countries for example: Greece, Indonesia, Malta. Of course, that all depends if they do indeed Communist/Socialist Parties.

I would, personally, be for a new Comintern but in order to achieve any progress on a wider scale, we would probably need bigger, more successful parties than the Communist movements of today. Anyone understand what I just said?
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 16 Dec 2011, 23:17
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Post 16 Dec 2011, 23:43
A new ComIntern would be awesome. Hell to the yes... new Stalin School please. The Communist movement needs to get going again, everyone's doing their own little thing and getting nowhere, well not very far. A movement with financial and physical support is needed in these times, Comrade Stalin approves this message.
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Post 04 Jan 2012, 11:29
I agree a new Comintern would be beneficial, but I don't think we actually need a "leading party" for this organisation. The former Internationals didn't have a "ruling party" either. An organisation much like the World Federation of Democratic Youth would maybe be better, I believe.
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Post 12 Jan 2012, 19:01
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Ironic, considering his antipathy towards the previous one...
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Post 28 Mar 2012, 12:49
Comintern should be both established in Vietnam and Cuba. Russian domestic security and intelligence agency would sabotage all its efforts to promote communist internationalism. I would say, Cuba has a better chance to be the site given that the Castro brothers have still firm belief in the potency of socialism. We can engage in political discussions and our plans for all other capitalist countries.
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Post 01 Apr 2012, 12:34
As others have stated, the Achilles heel of the Third International was its rigidness when directing other parties on what to do in their respective nations to bring about communist revolution.

The Third International, operating from Moscow, could in no way tell what was going on in China or any other country during their communist parties' times of struggle.

The organization was as a whole completely useless, and at times sought dictatorial control over entire communist parties.

I think that if there ever is another international, it should serve as a democratic, decentralized, communist pole with which other communist parties consult each other and seek advice on their respective struggles. The new international should in no way usurp leadership from regional communist parties. Those communist parties will no doubt know their own struggle better then the new international knows it.

I also think that as the existing left stands now, with the exception of a few communist parties, there needs to be a real break with the old left. New parties must be set up, while old bonds should be broken to make way for new ones.

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Good question why Russia? I see it as the spiritual home of communism.


Although there is no denying that Russia has a rich background in communist struggle and revolution, the material conditions for another communist revolution don't, in my opinion, exist. Who's to lead it? What conditions do on the other hand exist to make Russia in 2012 ripe for one? etc.

Most likely a revolution in modern Russia would take the form of a bourgeois-democratic revolution, much like Egypt where the people simply replaced one set of leaders with another, different set of leaders. Capitalism would still be there, although it would be most likely made to be "more fair."

I agree with the theory that the next communist revolution *must* occur in at least one or more first world nations, that's a givens. Lets just hope that we have enough knowledge in history and expertise to avoid the mistakes of the past.
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Post 20 Apr 2012, 20:23
Not a bad idea, the New communist party of GB and many others participate in the International Meeting of Communist and Workers' Parties http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internatio ... 27_Parties maybe this could form into something bigger in the future...
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