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CPUSA: The Power Of Words

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 06 Jul 2009, 10:14
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Post 01 Oct 2010, 07:39
Recently I have been thinking about the CPUSA and its current affairs. It is clear they are not marxist-Leninist and advocate voting for Bourgeoisie politicians. However there is a potential to the relic of an organization known as the CPUSA, and it all lies in the power of words. The title of "Communist Party" is an honor that belongs to the most devout revolutionary's. While the current CPUSA doesn't live up to the standard, the name still evokes the past and what workers used to stand for. This in itself could potentially be enough reasons for joining. While the country will most likely not change, the party is open to the ideas of future American generations and could potentially get back on the Marxist-Leninist path.

I have reason to believe future generations will be more inclined to seek opposing ideas to the status quo of capitalism and will grow in skepticism as the system further deteriorates. The first political body individuals with such inclinations would gravitate towards is the Communist Party of "insert nation."

Many SE members are affiliated or advocates of alternative Marxist organizations. However somewhere amongst the hundreds of small Marxist organizations the true power of the message is lost in the multiple 3 letter abbreviated Marxists parties.

The current CPUSA could be drastically improved if new membership arrived from left leaning groups. The flood of new ideas to improve the party and chance at a step back to their past roots. The current CPUSA is in such a weak condition that it doesn't have the centralized leadership required under Sam to continually hold back the party. His time is limited and opportunity nears.

The power of words is not to be underestimated.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 06 Apr 2009, 21:22
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Post 01 Oct 2010, 09:08
The thing about joining the CPUSA though is that you have to pay dues. This money would in turn be used to both finance, and further, the current party establishment. Plus, if they still use "democratic centralism", as I believe that they still do, there would be no way for the rank and file membership to influence policy anyway.
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Post 01 Oct 2010, 13:21
In an organization that you "pay to join" or, at the very least, pay to maintain your membership in, you legally accept the hierarchy of same. In a democratically centralized organization such as the CPUSA, your options for effecting change from the bottom essentially boil down to getting elected to the hierarchy, or else threatening to withdraw membership (and funds) should your demands for change not be met. If access to the former is unforthcoming, and the threat of the latter is laughed off, there's not very much you can do. The best course of action is to join the party that is most in harmony from the outset with your personal preferences and beliefs.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 06 Jul 2009, 10:14
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Post 01 Oct 2010, 19:25
One of the biggest complaints registered against the CPUSA is their inability to include lower members and expand party roles. If your paying a due each month, you should deserve better. However it is important to think about the aforementioned possibilities. I guess it comes down to whether you feel like gambling on the CPUSA. Part of me thinks its a waste of time and judging from its current leadership is going to collapse, however another part of me believes Sam can be replaced if enough opposition forms and the CPUSA could become relevant again.

Sam seems to be using the lack of new membership and funds as an excuse for his "piggy back democracts" strategy.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 18 Apr 2010, 04:44
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Post 01 Oct 2010, 19:57
The current CPUSA is lucky if it possesses 1000 members. So, theoretically, 2500 members from competing parties could jump ship to CPUSA in a bid to oust the current S-D regime and effect serious change. Good lucking convincing, or even locating, 2500 Communists who could set aside their doctrinal differences long enough to pool together to accomplish that.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 06 Jul 2009, 10:14
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Post 01 Oct 2010, 20:32
So your saying there's a chance? :P
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Post 02 Oct 2010, 04:17
Red_Bull wrote:
So your saying there's a chance? :P

If I can get you to spell "you're" correctly, there's a chance 2500 new members can join the CPUSA and change its emphasis on tailism.There's also a chance David Lee Roth might actually write some decent songs for the new Van Halen album. There's always a chance a party can be retrieved from the dumper via an infusion of progressive change courtesy of new personnel, but that chance is slim at the best of times. Still, there's a chance.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 06 Jul 2009, 10:14
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Post 03 Oct 2010, 09:21
That was a direct quote from Dumb and Dumber. Clearly it was over your head. I think the comparison of music to the CPUSA situation is undervaluing the potential for a surge of new blood in the party. With the current system degenerating, the alternatives will be explored more. Id say these times of economic crisis are the best chance of the CPUSA stumbling upon new members.
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Post 03 Oct 2010, 09:54
Red_Bull wrote:
That was a direct quote from Dumb and Dumber. Clearly it was over your head.

Yep, missed that one.
Red Bull wrote:
I think the comparison of music to the CPUSA situation is undervaluing the potential for a surge of new blood in the party.

The attitude of a lot of people, especially younger people, will be roughly: "Who needs a hidebound, old guardist party that's desperately repackaging itself to appeal to the youth when we can just join a newer one that caters to our needs and atitudes to begin with?" It's not that different from the teenage demographic of today preferring *new group x* to *old dinosaur x a la Van Halen*.
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With the current system degenerating, the alternatives will be explored more. Id say these times of economic crisis are the best chance of the CPUSA stumbling upon new members.

CPUSA will pick up a few of them, but its reformist stance will be severely compromised once Obama leaves office and some Teabagger takes control. At that point, the legacy of tailing will hit it hard, and it may be the end of the Webb regime.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 21 Dec 2004, 23:53
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Post 04 Oct 2010, 03:32
United States of America Communist Party.

iirc the Shining Path of Peru did a similar thing. Communist Party of Peru vs. Peruvian Communist Party.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 14 Jan 2010, 05:46
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Post 05 Oct 2010, 23:20
Every communist party is doomed in the USA. First most Americans think that communism is totalitarian. Second the USA is stuck in a two party system and I don't think most Americans know much about third parties. Third communist and socialist parties are always breaking up or splitting in the USA over ideology or this or that even if it isn't over ideology like the WWP and PSL split. So I doubt they could get a party big enough to stay together snd work together.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 21 Dec 2004, 23:53
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Post 06 Oct 2010, 01:42
Red Brigade wrote:
Every communist party is doomed in the USA.


With the examples you have used, you could easily state that: Every communist party is doomed in the world.

1. Most people associate communism with the Soviet Union and the various socialist Cold War states.
2. It doesn't matter how many parties the capitalist class has when the state is still controlled by the capitalist class.
3. CPs have been splitting since the first Internationale in the mid 19th century.
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