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Any communist from Quebec?

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Post 18 Jul 2010, 11:51
Any communist from quebec here? i am attending a formation camp with the communist party of quebec around the 23-25 july, i am a bit late but i wonder if there are any communist from quebec interesting in going there. i think there is luigi but i don't know any other.
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Post 18 Jul 2010, 19:35
I'm in Quebec at that time haha. Where is it? I won't go but I'm just curious as I'll be in Quebec City from the 22nd to 25th.
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Post 18 Jul 2010, 21:56
well it is mostly french speaking
. it is in estrie, there are bus from quebec and from montreal, i'm hitchhiking personally to get to montreal to catch the bus. if you know anyone who is interested please tell them. i should have posted this awhile ago.
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Post 18 Jul 2010, 21:57
Moved because this is a legit topic - Dagoth Ur, GLEDCM.
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Post 28 Jul 2010, 17:19
Yep, there is me! Sadly, I couldn't attend it, I was out of the country at that time. I've heard that Amir Khadir got himself into trouble or somethin' by attending it, is that right
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Post 25 Aug 2010, 04:43
it was actually his father, the journalist who wrote that is an asshole that our party frequently joke about, he is like glenn beck in his idiocy. his article was full of bullshit claiming that we support stalinism while our party actually doesn't etc.

by the way luigi do you know other quebec socialist or so, i wanted to make this post somewhere to get to know some from quebec and try to make them join the party.
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Post 25 Aug 2010, 07:33
I've told green this before. I used to live in Quebec but now I'm in the US... Sorry, man.
I also don't know if I am necessarily in favor of the Quebec Communist Party's stance on independence. I explained some of my negative experiences with some very unpleasant people there in the Quebec independence poll thread, so I think I'd be more in favor of working for a socialist Canada and improving and furthering harmonious, equal relations between the French- and English-speaking parts instead. Maybe I'm just naive, though.
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Post 25 Aug 2010, 10:24
. i don't see why you should be pissed at a whole nation for the bad experience you suffered from a small group of people belonging to that nation.

there was a split from the communist party of canada at some point and the majority of the people in the quebec section of the communist party followed them, most people on the left support independance. if they oppose it, it is usually because they believe that it will be another attempt at selling capitalism to the proletariat of quebec, meaning class struggle will be be kept down by the hope of newfound independance.

there is next to no seat for the left from quebec in the federal elections, simply because people on the left vote for the nationalist bloc quebecois. so as a whole, we are more to the left than the rest of canada, and we don't influence canada in a leftist direction in any manner. our opposition to the afghan war is unheard.
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Post 25 Aug 2010, 15:27
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Post 25 Aug 2010, 20:24
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i don't see why you should be pissed at a whole nation for the bad experience you suffered from a small group of people belonging to that nation.

I'm not pissed at all of Quebec, and like I said, I liked the environment there, and I found that a lot of people were friendly. Nevertheless I just don't like the combination of nationalism and separatism, and I see those unpleasant people as inevitably the kind of jerkasses that the independence movement would not only appeal to but also create more of because of the nationalistic separatist component that would manifest itself in the more aggressive, fanatical, unpleasant behaviors.

Like I said before, I agree that "when in Rome, do as the Romans do," and I certainly didn't have a problem with learning French in order to function there. But that I was essentially forced to learn French due to having been born in a different country and was economically disadvantaged; that I had to deal with draconian teachers and my family as a whole with rude service persons; that I was first bullied by other immigrant kids for not knowing French, and then later, by the "natives" for not being white and for not speaking French as well (which hampered my ability to get the school authorities to help me, and for not even being able to defend myself when I would get in trouble because the bastards bullying me would conspire to concoct stories against me); and that I had run-ins with some teachers and school authorities that I was sure were racist and hated us non-Catholic, non-fluent French-speaking immigrants certainly do not endear me to separatism.

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if they oppose it, it is usually because they believe that it will be another attempt at selling capitalism to the proletariat of quebec, meaning class struggle will be be kept down by the hope of newfound independance.

That's the position that I am more in agreement with. Perhaps I am influenced a bit by my personal biases, but in any case... Sorry man.

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there was a split from the communist party of canada at some point... as a whole, we are more to the left than the rest of canada, and we don't influence canada in a leftist direction in any manner. our opposition to the afghan war is unheard.

What were the reasons for the split? That's quite unfortunate. I didn't mean for Quebec to influence the country in a leftist direction, though, but for more cooperation between leftist groups. Is there any chance of that happening?
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Post 26 Aug 2010, 00:57
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Like I said before, I agree that "when in Rome, do as the Romans do," and I certainly didn't have a problem with learning French in order to function there. But that I was essentially forced to learn French due to having been born in a different country and was economically disadvantaged; that I had to deal with draconian teachers and my family as a whole with rude service persons; that I was first bullied by other immigrant kids for not knowing French, and then later, by the "natives" for not being white and for not speaking French as well (which hampered my ability to get the school authorities to help me, and for not even being able to defend myself when I would get in trouble because the bastards bullying me would conspire to concoct stories against me); and that I had run-ins with some teachers and school authorities that I was sure were racist and hated us non-Catholic, non-fluent French-speaking immigrants certainly do not endear me to separatism.


hm, do you think there is any way this sort of racism might be toned down by separation? i of course agree that those kind of jackass sure like separation, but you have to understand our situation, we are a majority in our territory, but a minority countrywide, we fear the 350 million englishmen that will assimilate us. this is why we are hostile to immigrants not speaking french(there is no excuse of course). in fact, i met a few spanish immigrants who spoke only french as a second language and knew next to no word of english and this sort of made me happy for some reason. i am sure the population is ingrateful but i would say that a person for example from russia who learns french without knowing any word of it at first , who made all this effort to learn a language from scratch is a nationalistic symbol of pride for me.

then again i am not sure there is clearly a difference between separatist and non-separatist when it comes to being racist toward englishmen,minorities or not. most of the argument is not about protecting the french language, it is about the economy after separation, every party in the parliament is nationalist some less than others.

for example, in the reasonable accomodation debate, people from all political parties jump on the religious minorities and ironically call them intolerant toward our religion. in fact, in one instance, the prime minister of the liberal party, when a few jews who kicked a janitor eating non kosher food out of a dining room reserved for kosher food he called them intolerant and not willing to compromise.this party is the least nationalist of the 3 main party in provincial parliament.

also like i said up there, in the commission on the reasonable accomodation debate, one of the two person in charge of it said that we are not tolerant like majorities are toward their minorities, since we consider ourselves a minority.it is a strange dynamic if you ask me but i kinda agree with what he said.
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What were the reasons for the split? That's quite unfortunate. I didn't mean for Quebec to influence the country in a leftist direction, though, but for more cooperation between leftist groups. Is there any chance of that happening?


the communist party of quebec split because they wanted the communist party of canada to clearly state they supported independance, both are still bitter of the split so the communist party of quebec is internationally trying to get recognition from france,europe and latin america mostly. i don't know how the left could unite itself in quebec, the maoist, the trotskyiste and the marxist leninist communist party of quebec don't really like each other, everyone of them accuse each other of sectarianism. i don't see much hope for unity but i did ask them to consider cooperating with anarchist and other communist group but of course they were pretty skeptical of it.

i would say that the communist party i am a part of is the closest to my ideas and i did find them to be open minded about many subject, democratic centralism does not seem like an illusion there, people freely discuss subjects they want but have to comply to party line.
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