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The Crisis of the CPUSA.

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 10 Jan 2004, 03:48
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Post 27 Aug 2009, 18:26
There is an excellent document on the Marxism-Leninism Today website called The Crisis of the CPUSA (there is a part 2 here). It looks to me like this is the beginning of the end of the CPUSA. The Marxist-Leninist trend in the party will not be able to prevent the complete liquidation of the CPUSA, if the past is any indication of the future.

A question the article doesn't address though, is what will the Marxist-Leninist trend do in the event of the liquidation of that organization? A split seems inevitable. Will they form their own organization, or will they flee in droves, perhaps to the Freedom Road Socialist Organization (Fight Back!)?
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Post 27 Aug 2009, 19:09
The hardliners are a small minority, if anything Sam Webb is to the left of the CPUSA cadre
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Post 27 Aug 2009, 19:11
What percentage would you put them at?
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Post 27 Aug 2009, 19:15
Perhaps 15-25%, I admit they are perhaps underrepresented in the national leadership, but the club structure is pretty democratic, so they could be taking over at the local level if they had the numbers.
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Post 27 Aug 2009, 19:28
The article suggests that CPUSA has maybe a 1000 real members, so that is 150-250 Marxist-Leninists, which is nothing to sneeze at (depending on how active they are). What will they do? Will they finally make a total break with this organization, as it literally liquidates itself?
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Post 27 Aug 2009, 19:30
This is blown out of proportion. They are moving to a website peoplebeforeprofits, but the CPUSA, YCL, PWW, PA sites will still be hosted there. I wouldn't equate a website domain name with liquidation.
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Post 27 Aug 2009, 19:33
The article makes it seem like a much more serious problem than that. Are you suggesting they are distorting things?
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Post 27 Aug 2009, 19:40
Some of the actual points of fact in the article are accurate such as the ceasing of print publications and the website move to p b4 profits. But there hasn't been any recent change in the party's ideology or structure. And it is wrong to read in to a website name, a major change in direction or liquidation.

Anyway I think the CPUSA has been proven right, the ultraright is not a boogey man. And the Obama election has replaced Republican leadership of Neocons, to populist fascist thugs, which are far more dangerous than W was.
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Post 27 Aug 2009, 20:01
You know about maybe a year and a half ago I wrote a report on the CPUSA for school and I thought they were a good organization and was thinking of joining them. But then after reading more about them I've realized they've done just about nothing worth noting since after World War II. In fact they don't even run for office anymore and just back the democrats on everything now. So I say unless they step their act up let them fall apart.
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Post 27 Aug 2009, 20:40
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Anyway I think the CPUSA has been proven right, the ultraright is not a boogey man. And the Obama election has replaced Republican leadership of Neocons, to populist fascist thugs, which are far more dangerous than W was.


The CPUSA has been a basically opportunist organization long before their ultra-right boogey man has even started to emerge as a possible future reality (that isn't the situation, yet), and in any case, their tailism of the Democratic Party is still utterly wrong.
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Post 28 Aug 2009, 01:23
I think that in liberal democracies, Communists should back individual policies which are judged to be progressive or otherwise helpful to our movement, but never whole parties (like the democrats). It shouldn't matter whether the policies come from Left or Right.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 21 Dec 2004, 23:53
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Post 28 Aug 2009, 18:32
It is a great article and yeah the CPUSA is rather screwed.

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A question the article doesn't address though, is what will the Marxist-Leninist trend do in the event of the liquidation of that organization? A split seems inevitable. Will they form their own organization, or will they flee in droves, perhaps to the Freedom Road Socialist Organization (Fight Back!)?


At an anti-war demo I was with a progressive friend who asked the question "why are there so many socialist parties? why not just have one?" And my brother from SA responded that as the struggle escalates the "best" communists, socialists and cadres will all drift to one party. CPUSA is a great example of this in that it is a shitty party and our brothers and sisters are looking for an alternative party. There are currently three solid parties in the USA: PSL, SA, and SWP. ISO is a major party yet too liberal and reformist. FRSO is a great party, yet I don't believe they have a lot of members.
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Post 28 Aug 2009, 18:42
I highly doubt the Marxist-Leninist members of CPUSA would join ISO, SWP or SA, as these are all explicitly Trotskyist organizations. PSL, FRSO, and WWP are probably the only ones that would get any of these people, and it would mostly come down to geography, probably.
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Post 28 Aug 2009, 19:08
So why aren't the PSL and the WWP one party again?
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Post 28 Aug 2009, 19:23
I don't know, PSL and WWP both haven't released any statements on the question, and they're both pretty secretive about it. My guess is a lot of it has to do with disagreement over whether or not to continue ANSWER or work with UFPJ. I heard something about splitting over the National Question as it applied to their organizational structure, but that just sounds stupid to me.
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Post 28 Aug 2009, 19:29
I wasn't talking about the CPUSA officially joining another party; rather individual comrades going to another party.

The PSL and WWP split over the control of ANSWER and the direction of the anti-war movement. PSL is also mainly West Coast and WWP mainly East Coast.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 02 Apr 2009, 23:59
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Post 28 Aug 2009, 19:52
What makes these other parties any more effective than the CPUSA? And these claims that we "tail" the democrats is utter nonsense, has anyone here even read the party program?
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Post 28 Aug 2009, 20:11
Come on, practically every issue of PWW has a picture of Obama or some other democrat on the cover. CPUSA is completely tailist.
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Post 28 Aug 2009, 20:43
Your evaluating our ideology based on our newspaper's use of Obama's picture? Understanding what is going on on the national political scene requires watching and evaluating the words and actions of national-level politicians. Since everyone on the national scene (not state and local) is either a Republican or a Democrat, it would be epically unrealistic to try to fight them alone. What, you expect the far-left to defeat the Republicans on it's own?

Sit and watch Glenn Beck, listen to Rush Limbaugh, and Mike Huckabee, hear what Sean Hannity is saying. That is the danger we face. They have gone insane since the '08 defeat and they represent a danger that is all to real. To defeat them we need this kind of thinking,
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The only strategy capable of defeating the ultra-right is the widest possible unity of all the class and social forces whose interests run counter to those of the most reactionary section of the transnationals. Such an all-inclusive coalition would need to be led by labor and the working class in close alliance with the nationally and racially oppressed, women, and youth. It should include seniors, family farmers, the LGBT community, professionals and the self-employed, small business owners, and the disabled—everyone except the most reactionary section of transnational capital. This unity will include an ever-growing Left-Center political coalition that includes the Democratic Party, left and progressive independents who recognize the danger the ultra-right poses, and all social movements on the major issues of our day. This all-people’s front should strive to, and be able to, attract many who voted Republican in the past.

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Reports of the CPUSA's demise are greatly exaggerated.

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Post 28 Aug 2009, 21:25
This whole "crisis" is over newspapers and a website. There hasn't been any major changes. A lot of hoo-ha over nothing. Reports of the CPUSA's demise are greatly exaggerated.
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