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Sam Webb on Fox New's Glen Beck Show

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 13 Jul 2006, 18:37
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Post 19 Jun 2009, 06:18
OMFG "Nationalist Socialist Party" This Glenn Back is trying to look more stupid than he really is?
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Post 19 Jun 2009, 14:20
Haha "Well that's their export" "Oh uh yeah anyway uh..."
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 28 Jan 2008, 19:10
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Post 10 Jul 2009, 17:00
Heres Webb at a friendlier interview with more serious questions http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_Q4MIXGfa4
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Post 11 Jul 2009, 07:39
I saw that. Good stuff.
I'm planning to travel to New York in a few years for a bit and study the party first-hand. I'm actually in the YCL now. Tamiment library should be pretty excellent too. You a member of CPUSA, Heiss?
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Post 24 Jul 2009, 17:52
Interesting Russian art exhibit with portraits of CPUSA members

http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... start%3D10
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Post 24 Jul 2009, 18:54
Beck dominated Webb in that interview. Why doesn't the CPUSA propaganda/communications department properly train and prepare him for these things?

Webb seemed meek and defeated, even if Beck was capitalizing on false and baseless associative and transfer-style rhetoric.
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Post 24 Jul 2009, 19:37
To me, Webb came across as being much more reserved and polite. It's a way to get the message out, even if it may not be the best way.
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Post 24 Jul 2009, 20:03
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To me, Webb came across as being much more reserved and polite. It's a way to get the message out, even if it may not be the best way.


The means should be assessed in accordance to their effectiveness of attaining the end. In many ways, as a viewer/listener, I had no idea what the hell Webb was really trying to communicate. Almost immediately Beck put him on the defensive. There are ways to prevent and counter this, which he should have been briefed on in advance. Though maybe he just didn't expect much from an interview with the likes of Glenn Beck, just an opp. for national exposure.
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Post 24 Jul 2009, 20:07
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Though maybe he just didn't expect much from an interview with the likes of Glenn Beck, just an opp. for national exposure.


This is what I meant.
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Post 24 Jul 2009, 20:19
Probably true; given Beck's tendency to over-sensationalize nearly everything. Though, even going into a situation where one expects to be cornered can still be turned into an opportunity, even a slight one.

The one thing he had going for him is that he did appear calm, despite the pressure (and stupid) claims from Beck. This would appeal to most viewers who are not avid Beck enthusiasts. His communicating sucked but he handled the situation (overall) rather well.
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Post 26 Jul 2009, 04:00
Well...on Fox News he should have not answered the direct question but just answered with propaganda..

but maybe the CPUSA and Webb decided to give Fox News a chance to behave like civilized people...anyway....I don`t think the CPUSA got fewer members and supporters after the Fo-show than before...
but thats not my point right now...

Referring to the interview with Webb over 3 parts on youtube is a good promotion for CPUSA and good answers from Webb on different topics..

But I will also emphasize the need for all communist parties to produce cadres - communist politicians- who can represent the party and movement in Media, TV, Debates,parlliaments etc..who can bring a message from the party to ordinary people in a simple way, in an interesting, "tough" way....who reaches outside the politically organised,interested people...

This is not advocating bourgeois parliamentary circus-shows by communist but in an "fresh, smart, radical" way do the abovementioned..to use an example...in place of S.Webb in the Fox-show for example..
"For us there is no valid definition of socialism other than the abolition of the exploitation of one human being by another."
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Post 07 Aug 2009, 06:45
I must admit I myself was a tad disillusioned by the CPUSA's unmediated support for a sitting President, but the rise of the right wing mobs, which should not be underestimated as a real danger, seem to have proven them right.
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Post 07 Aug 2009, 13:10
But are you a member or just a sympathizer?
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Post 09 Aug 2009, 00:35
Webb should say: "Glen let me ask you about your religious revival" Glen will start to cry and be as a sheep for all the interview
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Post 30 Nov 2009, 05:18
Sunsara Taylor, of the Revolutionary Communist Party, has also appeared on the Fox News Channel. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UarLnP690i8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNARa2-D_1M&feature=related I think that the network showcases them in order to exagerate the prominance of there influence, and also to try and discredit mainstreme liberal activism, by associating it with apparent left-wing extremists, in the minds of most Americans. Like I think that citing Communists on the issue of opposition to the war, would be like interviewing a Ku Klux Klanner about his opposition to illegal immigration. Because to ignorant Americans, Communists and neonazis are all the same to them.
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Post 01 Dec 2009, 00:17
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To me, Webb came across as being much more reserved and polite. It's a way to get the message out, even if it may not be the best way.


Webb's a flop revisionist. The CPUSA has declined horribly since his appointment after Gus Hall's death. Hopefully, after his death, another Webbite won't gain control, and the CPUSA can move from complete revisionism to some activity.

I support the CPUSA, but I do not agree with the way it's lead by Webb. You can't get a message out to the viewers of Fox News. You can't get a message to anybody if you can't defend your political positions.
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Post 01 Dec 2009, 01:33
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Webb's a flop revisionist.

How so?

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The CPUSA has declined horribly since his appointment after Gus Hall's death.

But there were some pretty stark errors committed by Hall's particular wing of the Party, his excessive adulation of the USSR for instance, and I am a bit concerned about the rumors of embezzlement, which the national leadership has yet to seriously refute. I do agree the Party should be more straightforward about him, though.

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You can't get a message out to the viewers of Fox News. You can't get a message to anybody if you can't defend your political positions.

Perhaps you're right. If I may ask, are you a member of the Communist Party?
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Post 01 Dec 2009, 04:26
I am a member of the YCL and will register with the party next year. I support the CPUSA whole heartedly, but I believe that it is in need of serious overhaul.

Sam Webb's interview with Glenn Beck is a perfect example of his inability to properly protect the Marxist-Leninist factors of the CPUSA. The problem with the CPUSA is its strictly democratic stance to stay in the positive light of American politics, the RCP does a much better job of not compromising their beliefs for political mobility. When I went to New York, the HQ for the CPUSA refused to let me in to talk to a rep. They didn't even give me any pamphlets, while at the RCP I spoke with staff there and recieved a complimentary copy of Revolution.

It would be a shame if Gus Hall's administration was embezzling, but its not proven that he was (Although the KGB leader makes this claim after the collapse of the USSR, leading me to believe it's probably not true under the careful eye of the government to smash Cold War CPUSA). What I have heard about is his running as president twice on the Communist ticket, suffering Black Listing and arrest for participating in rallies and strikes ("Little Steel" Strike) under the Smith Act. He introduced Bill of Rights Socialism in the CPUSA. He defended Stalin's regime as exagerated while admitting that Stalin was erred in his political rule. He held steadfast against the revisionist branch out in the 80's. Hall also denounced Gorbechev and his counterrevolution.


Where did Sam Webb do this? I'm sure he means well, but he simply is ineffective in the defence of M-L. That's my opinion anyways.
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Post 01 Dec 2009, 05:16
As am I, comrade! Always happy to see fellow CP/YCL members.


It's hard to defend anything in an interview with Glenn Beck, which is why I believe that going on the program was questionable to begin with. But the Party has done numerous interviews on other networks such as this one which I would argue was much more productive.

I also submit that I'm not at all certain about the supposedly revisionist practices of some of the national leadership. "Revisionism", I think, is a word that gets thrown around entirely too much and is more accusatory than descriptive. But perhaps you are right and I am wrong, only years of hard studying and practicing will give me a definite answer. The debates on this site have definitely helped some of my amateur errors, and I look forward to seeing future contributions from you.

One of the CPUSA's biggest internal problems is communication. The National Board turns out a new opinion piece every week, but there is little national direction. We've got local chapters that haven't updated their web pages in years. Contacting Headquarters for support is all but impossible, and I couldn't even get YCL's shop to work so I could pay my dues and order pamphlets for a local anti-war conference. Hopefully that will be fixed when they change up the website (which I understand is well underway).

If Chairman Webb has erred in anything, it is a possible overemphasis on the democracy of democratic centralism. But I am still very optimistic about the party's future and the prospect of socialism through the ballot box, which our Party has fearlessly pioneered.
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Post 01 Dec 2009, 05:43
Your right, Sam Webb should not have gone into that interview, much less as unprepared to deal with Glenn Beck as many socialists would be. However by turning down the interview, Beck simply would have marked the entire CPUSA as cowards, so Webb took one for the team (albeit not very well).
You're right, revisionism is used as slander by marxists and therefore has lost a lot of potential meaning. The CPUSA is by nature, reform based; it has to be, now with the Patriot Act and Right wing attempts to discredit socialists, but it almost seems as if the CPUSA is shrinking in values as well as size, their rallies are few and small. Their outposts reach no more than half of the states, and Sam Webb isn't helping this. I wish I would have been alive during the witch hunts to see the CPUSA at its climax, or during the depression. since 2000, it seems to me that people are becoming more fed up with the CPUSA and turning to the RCP, or even to national socialism. How does MLM even work in the U.S?

thank you for the interview, Sam Webb does a much better job here, but I still think we could have picked a better leader. Too bad Bob Avakian is insane!
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