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Sam Marcyism: Workers World and Socialism and Liberation

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Post 22 Jan 2009, 04:39
Anyone familiar with the work of Sam Marcy? Basically he took the concept of "deformed worker's state" in the opposite direction that most traditional Trotskyists do. In essence he believe that socialist states were necessarily deformed because socialism can not co-exist with capitalism. To that extent he opposed the idea of socialism in one country. At the same time through his theory of global class war he saw the socialist nation state as a key factor in the final downfall of world imperialism. WWP was one of the few parties to call for PRC-USSR unity. Of course WWP was in the awkward position of being a Trotskyist group condemning Khrushchev for being revisionist in denouncing Stalin.

In general as far as Trotskyism goes, the Sam Marcyist brand is the closest to genuine Marxism-Leninism. Of course in practice it amounts to simply supporting any anti-US force as anti-imperialist or even socialist. Its a sort of reverse Trotskyism. PSL splintered in 2004 for mysterious reasons. There is a stronger Maoist tinge to PSL.

Other than the CPUSA, I would say they are the largest and most active Marxist groups in the USA today. As far as activism goes they are at times pragmatic and willing to work in large coalitions. But they can also be extremely sectarian. Strategically I think they often turn towards ultra-leftism. And a fair criticism is that they overemphasize anti-imperialism over anti-capitalism. They also actively support just about every radical cause around.

If anyone has opinions on the theoretical ideas of Sam Marcy or about personal experiances with WWP or PSL please relate. Also I'm still curious as to why they split.
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Post 22 Jan 2009, 04:43
ObituarySam Marcy, an apologist for bureaucracyBy Fred Mazelis
13 February 1998

Sam Marcy, who died February 1 at the age of 86, was one of the last of an older
generation who were trained in the Trotskyist movement and then repudiated the
principles of socialist internationalism in the period following the Second World War.
Marcy broke from the Trotskyist movement in 1959. The Workers World Party, which he
founded at that time, functions today as a cheerleader for the remnants of Stalinism
on the one hand and the US trade union bureaucracy on the other.
Marcy and his organization managed to combine sycophantic praise for Stalinist tyrants
such as the late Kim Il Sung of North Korea and Nicolae Ceausescu of Romania with
groveling support for the anticommunist AFL-CIO bureaucracy.

The statement issued by the Workers World Party on the death of its founder makes no
mention of Marcy's Trotskyist past. Marcy has spent the last 40 years trying to atone
for his earlier struggle against Stalinism. In the current issue of the Workers World
newspaper, his political career before the age of 48, when he founded the WWP, is
glossed over with a few vague references to trade union activity.

Marcy was born in tsarist Russia in 1911. Having survived the anti-Semitic pogroms in
the period leading up to the October Revolution and in the subsequent Civil War, he
came to the US as a child. Growing up in Brooklyn, the primary influences on his
political development were the Russian Revolution, together with the social misery and
class struggles of the 1930s.

After joining the Young Communist League, the youth movement of the Communist Party,
Marcy declared his opposition to Stalinism. He joined the Trotskyists during this
period and built a branch of the Socialist Workers Party, then the US Trotskyist
movement, in Buffalo in the 1940s and 50s.

His subsequent degeneration took place under the difficult conditions facing the
socialist movement in the postwar period. Like so many others, Marcy was unable to
withstand the tremendous ideological pressures that bore down on the Trotskyists
during the years of economic prosperity and Cold War witch-hunt.

The postwar restabilization of imperialism, facilitated by the powerful influence and
counterrevolutionary policies of the Soviet regime, profoundly disoriented many who
had fought in earlier years against capitalist exploitation as well as its agencies in
the social democratic and Stalinist bureaucracies.

The rapid bureaucratization of the CIO unions and the relative quiescence of the
American working class led them to reject the fight for Marxist principles in the
working class as a hopeless project. At the same time, the expansion of the Soviet
bloc and the Chinese and Yugoslav revolutions were taken as evidence that the Soviet
bureaucracy and Stalinist parties elsewhere could be forced to take the road of
revolution.

The perspective of world socialist revolution, which had animated the founders of the
Marxist movement and the leaders of the Russian Revolution, was abandoned in the name
of a "new world reality." The economically backward countries were declared to be the
new "epicenter" of revolution. This became the mechanism by which a whole layer turned
away from an internationalist perspective and essentially accepted the Stalinist line
of "national-state socialism."

Michel Pablo and Ernest Mandel became the leaders of an international faction that
repudiated the fight to build independent revolutionary parties. A split took place
within the Fourth International in 1953, with James P. Cannon, the founder of American
Trotskyism, leading the struggle in defense of Marxist principles, through the
establishment of the International Committee of the Fourth International.

Marcy did not join with Pablo and his American supporters, but he harbored similar
views on the most essential question of internationalism. He opposed some of the more
blatant opportunist developments within the SWP during the 1950s, particularly its
call for the US government to send federal troops to Mississippi. But his attempt to
defend a proletarian orientation while failing to take up a struggle against the
Pabloite attack on the Fourth International inevitably ended in capitulation to the
same right-wing pressures.

He adopted the conception of "global class war," in which the conflict between US
imperialism and the Soviet bloc was seen as superseding the class struggle
internationally and within each country. The international working class was ignored
as an independent force, dissolved into the Soviet bureaucracy and various bourgeois
and petty-bourgeois nationalist forces that were in conflict with Washington. The need
for continued defense of the Soviet Union against imperialism, as well as the defense
of the colonial and semicolonial masses against imperialist oppression, was converted
into support for the national bourgeoisie and Stalinism.

Rejecting any revolutionary role for the working class, Marcy responded to the
uprising of the Hungarian workers in 1956 by supporting the invasion by the Moscow
bureaucracy and its Warsaw pact allies. This led to his official break with Trotskyism
a few years later.

I can recall a long discussion with Marcy in 1959, just before I joined the SWP and
just after Marcy had split to found his new organization. Marcy attempted, without
success, to convince me that the Hungarian workers were hopeless
counterrevolutionaries and that we should support the Stalinists in their crushing of
the Hungarian workers councils. I replied that neither Marx, Lenin nor Trotsky had
ever proposed that socialism could be imposed on the working class, and I insisted
that the actions of Stalinism in Hungary proved its counterrevolutionary character.

In the subsequent decades Marcy's organization has made many twists and turns, which,
taken as a whole, have entailed the abandonment of any orientation to the working
class. In the 1950s Marcy had advanced an ultra-left line of opposition to political
work among student youth. Within a few years he had turned this "leftism" on its head,
embracing middle class protest movements of all varieties.

Workers World became known for its uncritical support for black nationalism, gay
liberation and other forms of middle class ideology. Marcy devoted himself to building
an organization that juggled various disparate elements, from aging Stalinists
disgruntled with the official Communist Party USA to those who saw their main
political identity as feminists, transsexuals or gay activists. When the Workers World
Party ran candidates for office, it promoted them not as fighters for the working
class, but rather as representatives of their gender or sexual orientation.

What remained constant for the bulk of Marcy's political career was his loyalty to
Stalinism and all forms of bureaucracy in the workers movement. He attributed the
collapse of the Soviet Union simply to the "Gorbachev-Yeltsin counterrevolution," and
allied himself with the remnants of Russian Stalinism in the Russian Communist Workers
Party (RKRP), an organization whose politics combine the worship of Stalin with
right-wing nationalism and anti-Semitism.

In the US Marcy increasingly lined up with the trade union bureaucracy as well as
"left" sections of the Democratic Party. He was an enthusiastic supporter of Jesse
Jackson in his campaigns for the Democratic presidential nomination, and Workers World
regularly hailed the Democratic politicians in the Congressional Black Caucus.

The Workers World Party declared in its tribute to Marcy: "His analysis of the
irreconcilability of the conflict between the imperialist bourgeoisie on the one hand
and the progressive camp of the socialist countries and national liberation movements
on the other has stood the test of time." Nothing could more clearly demonstrate the
bankruptcy of Marcy's perspective than this flight from reality by his political heirs.

The so-called "socialist countries" have been dissolved by the same Stalinist
bureaucracies which Marcy and his followers looked to as the bulwark of revolution.
Capitalist restoration has been carried through by the Stalinists themselves. In
clinging to the handful of states and ruling parties which still preserve some tie to
the Stalinist travesty of socialism—China, North Korea, Vietnam and Cuba—the Marcyites
are compelled to deny the obvious fact that all of these regimes have turned to
capitalist restoration and accommodation to imperialism. As for the self-proclaimed
"national liberation" movements, all of them—from the PLO to the ANC—have renounced
their previous anti-imperialist pretensions and are vying for the favor of American
capitalism.

History has thoroughly exposed the Pabloite glorification of the "progressive camp" of
Stalinism, social democracy and bourgeois nationalism. Marcy distinguished himself
only by taking this perspective, in a particularly crude way, to the logical
conclusion of open support for Stalinist tyranny. His perspective lies in ruins, along
with the bureaucracies on which it was based.
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Post 22 Jan 2009, 08:01
This is an excellent topic. I have yet to see a text from Marcy or the Marcyites outlining the Global Class War Theory which is their supposed contribution to the Marxist movement. I haven't looked that hard though.

heiss93 wrote:
Other than the CPUSA, I would say they are the largest and most active Marxist groups in the USA today.

I can say with confidence that this is not true, neither of the WWP, nor the PSL, nor both taken together. What you ought to say is that they are the most visible group -- at least in many of the large USA cities. Some groups that are larger include the ISO, and the RCP, amongst others. On the other hand, it's a very interesting question as to why they give off they "vibe" of being large and active. Also, does it matter in terms of actual organizing of the working class?

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There is a stronger Maoist tinge to PSL.

That is not true in my experience.
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I think that Workers World is indeed the most active of US Communist Parties. They are up front and everywhere on the front lines of today's struggles. Yugoslavia, Gaza, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, whatever: It's WWP that seems to be the motivating force at demonstrations and fight-backs.

PSL in no way appears to differ with WWP in theory or practice. It appears to have broken away from WWP over personality and ego issues. How sad that at such a crucial time some people cannot help but further factionalize the Movement.

I am not a member of either WWP or PSL and have no "side" in this issue.
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I think that Workers World is indeed the most active of US Communist Parties. They are up front and everywhere on the front lines of today's struggles. Yugoslavia, Gaza, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, whatever: It's WWP that seems to be the motivating force at demonstrations and fight-backs.

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They are up front and everywhere on the front lines of today's struggles. Yugoslavia, Gaza, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, whatever


If those are the fronts, they're missing the biggest and most important one. Their own (USA's) factories.


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Hehe, USA hardly produces any of its own things anymore.
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heiss93 wrote:
If anyone has opinions on the theoretical ideas of Sam Marcy or about personal experiances with WWP or PSL please relate. Also I'm still curious as to why they split.


iirc it had something to do with staying with A.N.S.W.E.R. WWP split from it and formed the Troops Out Now Coalition, PSL stayed with A.N.S.W.E.R. Really similar analysis in their newspapers.
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Sam Marcy was the best trot ever - I really like his group. One of the better and bigger groups operating in the USA too.
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The analysis of Trotsky as the first anti-revisionist is an interesting perspective but somewhat historically dishonest. Trotsky had major differences with Lenin, and he can hardly be described as a loyal opposition to the USSR when he compared it to Hitler and called for its violent overthrow. Nevertheless the deformed workers state theory as interpreted by Sam Marcy is not harmful. There is some analysis of the genuine growth of bureaucracy that occurred in the socialist states, but that in now way detracts from WWP defense of them.

I've been impressed with the WWP and PSL work during the economic crisis, it is a shame that two parties with the exact same line split.

This is a very interesting video on economics:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iszm4yqA ... r_embedded
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The United States Workers World Party should not be seen as a Trotskyist Organization
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USA Workers World Party is a small party, it has the nature of what is generally not paying attention to people. Recently, some articles began to pay attention to trends in the U.S. Workers World Party, to present their point of view, "Reference News" is sometimes also the U.S. Workers World Party's official newspaper "workers Le Monde" article to be reproduced.
"Contemporary World and Socialism" magazine in 1998 published the first two written by Comrade Xu Baoyou, "A Review of Contemporary American Left," a text, the text of the Workers World Party in the United States designated the main radical left-wing factions, although pointed out that the party was in 1959 was spun off from the Socialist Workers Party was founded on, but not to assume that the party is "Trotskyist organization"; At the same time, the article on the Socialist Workers Party and the Spartacus League has made a "Trotskyist organization" identification. "Foreign Theoretical Trends," published in 2001 two of Professor Zhang Jinjian written by "contemporary American left-wing status quo and its development prospects," a text, the text of the Workers World Party merged into the "third category" that is, the partisan Trotskyism in. "Foreign Theoretical Trends," published in 2001 four of Professor Gao Fang wrote entitled "concerted efforts to scale new heights," a text of its agreement to Zhang's view that the U.S. Workers World Party is now the United States, three Trotskyist Workers One of the party and pointed out that the magazine's "2000 No. 9 landed on a Workers World Party criticized the United States reflects the labor movement to spearhead China's presentation. authors probably do not know the party is also a Trotskyist organization, the text also said that the Executive secretary of the party's statement 'by the Trotskyist Fourth International (sparticists) members of the brutal attack'. " This refers to the "author" One of my. In fact, the author does not clear the U.S. Workers World Party Socialist Workers Party and the United States years ago between some of the "entanglement" and is not do not know if my theory sector American workers in the world view of the party's habit, but because things have obviously happened changes, I think we should and then the United States Workers World Party as a Trotskyist organization. Below, with the U.S. Workers World Party some of the contacts and understanding of the situation in writing, for your reference.
1, with the Workers World Party leader talks
New York in 2000 during an international conference of socialist scholars, representatives of the United States Workers World Party by the US-China Friendship Association Chairman of the New York presentation, Mr. Gluck met with us, they will own speech (entitled: "Why China's campaign against the damage to the labor the people's interests ") are distributed to us, repeatedly invited us to their headquarters to visit, hope and we have established contact, attitudes, sincere and friendly. April 1, 2000 in the evening, we have six people in his party's executive secretary of the Workers World Party had Tigris Ould Dell (female) and others went to Workers World Party's headquarters. We visited their offices and newspaper editorial, in the office of a wall hung a banner embroidered with Lenin's head, another on the wall hung a call to the world's workers to unite a large-scale oil paintings.
After the start of formal talks, we have put to them the first question is "U.S. Workers World Party and Trotsky faction What is the relationship?" The presence of two Executive Secretary of the party were Tigris Ould Dell, and Fred * Getesitan very clearly tells us: "The United States Workers World Party and Trotsky were no relations," "We are completely independent organization." After talking it continue. Here are the talks in the understanding of the case.
1. On U.S. Workers World Party in general
USA Workers World Party stood in 1959, the existing active members of about 1,000 people, accurate figures are not party members and statistics. The leadership of the party's highest body is the National Committee elected by the seven-member Executive Secretariat. Organ of the Party is the "workers Le Monde" for the magazine, publishers of more than 10,000 copies.
50,60 years, the United States is a period of rampant McCarthyism, many left-wing political parties, concealed, the absence of an openly Marxist political party, Workers World Party have come into being. At that time many Americans, the Chinese do not understand why China and the United States raised the issue of confrontation. At this point, Workers World Party leader Samu Ma break (Sam Marcy) and resolutely stand up for socialist China. Workers World Party in 1962, the first one to rise up against the U.S. invasion of Vietnam, organized a large number of young people took to the streets to protest against U.S. atrocities in Vietnam fascism. To this end, President Ho Chi Minh had telephoned the U.S. Workers World Party, for its solidarity with Vietnam, praised the spirit of internationalism. 1965-1966 period, Indonesia's Suharto came to power, crazy killing Indonesian Communists and progressive people, the party's leader Ai to have been killed. USA Workers World Party is the first one to rise up against the fascist rule of Suharto, the revolutionary organization, and to expose the United States had given substantial military aid to Suharto, the CIA provided the relevant information to Suharto, Suharto will be provided in accordance with the United States list, address, would be shot one by one the Communists. In 1998 the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency publicly acknowledged this point. Occurred in China in 1989, the Tiananmen incident, the U.S. Workers World Party first one to stand out in support of China, Tiananmen Square was a counter-revolutionary incident found that behind the Statue of Liberty in Tiananmen Square to intervene; Gorbachev also played a role in which he was A stroll in Tiananmen Square is a counter-revolutionary forces in support. USA Workers World Party is not only to defend China's socialist cause, but it also to defend the cause of socialism in all countries, it has repeatedly to defend the Cuban revolution, the party's leader Marshall had visited Cuba.
2. USA Workers World Party's program
USA Workers World Party is determined to achieve socialism, but not in the short term to achieve this goal. The United States, blacks and the oppression suffered by migrant workers, the same as with the Third World. American capitalism seemingly strong, but it can not be developed under conditions where there is no crisis, it is always moving forward could not escape the crisis. It is America's most prosperous period, but the workers standard of living is falling, the difference between rich and poor since the age of 70 has been expanding. When faced with a crisis, the situation one can imagine, then, the capitalists will not treat the workers. Therefore, the Workers World Party to take advantage of the crisis of capitalism, organized labor movement, and ultimately achieving the goal of replacing capitalism with socialism. Workers World Party has done all the work carried out by a variety of activities are advancing towards this great goal to achieve the goals of the small things from the concrete building. Workers World Party must intensify its work: against the withholding of wages, against the use of prison labor, against the police killing of innocent people, require raising the wages of workers and improve the livelihood of workers and so on.
3. U.S. Workers World Party on the labor leader of China's accession to the World Trade Organization to stop the attitude of
April 24, 2000, the U.S. Workers World Party in Washington, organizing mass demonstrations against the labor leaders to stop China's accession to the World Trade Organization (WTO). Workers World Party to tell the American workers, China is our friend, we should support China's accession to the WTO, the world's workers, unite! If the United States workers are opposed to China's accession to the WTO, we, as representatives of the workers will be very sad. The fate of American workers is the same China, Asia inseparable. If the United States conquest of China and Asia, American workers will always be a slave of capital, which is why we say: the international working class solidarity is the United States an indispensable condition for the liberation of the working class.
4. USA Workers World Party on the current view of China's socialist construction
USA Workers World Party understands that China has adopted policies and measures to support China in taking the road of socialism with Chinese characteristics. Believes that China is an economically and culturally underdeveloped countries, the use of the capitalist market economy to develop and strengthen the foundation of socialism is correct. However, they believe that the essence of the capitalist market economy, and hope that China will alert the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency and the dissident elements take advantage of China's development of capitalism to undermine China's socialist cause.
Second, the International Conference on the scene to see
April 2, 2000 the afternoon of the International Socialist Scholars Conference in New York to discuss the issue of China branch of the court, Workers World Party's Executive Secretary, Dell was on the Seattle event Tigris Ould unions to spearhead China's problem was speeches to express the defense of China's position, many of the members of the Workers World Party arrived at the venue took part in the discussion of China's problems. At this time, two fourth internationalist (Spartacus faction) members up and violently attacked Tigris Ould's speech, and attack China. President of the Assembly then took the floor, Mr. Gluck, who supported the Tigris Ould's position, and refuting the views of the two Trotskyist elements by participating in the Conference of the United States left with applause. The results of two Trotskyist elements have "angrily" to leave the venue. This naturally reminds me of June 1996 at Moscow University encountered a similar scenario. Was being held for democracy and the Socialist Scholars fourth annual international conference, the representative of China, after a British woman Trotskyist elements come to power violently attacking China, the back of several Trotskyist elements have also followed the booing, immediately subject to The representative of China's solemn and just fight back, followed by Russian scholars, one by one on the ground floor units and firmly support China lashed out Trotskyist provocation. At this time, from the United Kingdom can not stand Trotskyist activists felt, in order to save face, they are also "angrily" left the venue.
Third, with the United States were members of the e-mail contacts
In order to understand the many American workers world party, this writer has recently written to the U.S. member of the Communist Party of the National Economic Council, the University of Minnesota professor Irving Dr. Ma Kuite, asking him whether the Workers World Party is a Trotskyist organization's problems a few comments. April 27, he sent me an e-mail, the main contents as follows: "Workers World Party (WWP) was formed in 1960 by the Samudaxi (according to Marquette in the letter provided by the Web site htth: / / www.workers.org / marcy / articles.htm l and Faure Degot Goldstein provides us with the material, I think that the letter to Samu Ma break (Sam Marcy) mistakenly wrote the Sa Muda West.) establish, which is the main Trotskyist organization in the United States left-wing Socialist Workers Party, established after. From the outset, it is and still is a very left-wing party, but it is not a Trotskyist. because it strongly supports China's the 'Cultural Revolution', it will be considered within the meaning of our U.S. Maoist. "
Fourth, a few observations
In the above-mentioned facts, there are a few points for our understanding of American Workers World Party has a certain significance.
1. USA Workers World Party and the Trotskyist camp think they have no relationship, is completely independent organization. They do not even think of themselves as from a Trotskyist splinter organization.
2. USA Workers World Party claim to believe in Marxism-Leninism and the struggle for socialism, not faith Trotskyism.
3. Cuba's Communist President Fidel Castro had personally met with the U.S. Workers World Party leader Samu Ma break. Cuba and the United States close at hand, whether it is Trotskyist party in the Castro should be aware of.
4. Vietnamese people's great leader President Ho Chi Minh had telephoned the U.S. Workers World Party, commended the spirit of internationalism. President Ho Chi Minh is a firm Marxist, he is a Trotskyist whether the party will not be not be considered.
5. The United States member of the Communist Party of the National Economic Council Owen Professor Ma Kuite that the U.S. is not a Trotskyist Workers World Party, but the far left, is a Maoist. He does not think the party split from the Trotskyist organization out (although I have written specifically about this "historical fact"), but only that the party is the main Trotskyist organization in the United States Socialist Workers Party later established. It is at least the U.S. part of the left-wing views.
6. Soviet Union and East have been dramatic changes in 10 years, China's reform and opening up more than 20 years, the world has undergone great changes in the U.S. Workers World Party is changing the party from the praised China's "Cultural Revolution", the transition to support the building of the cause of socialism with Chinese characteristics, understanding the development of the socialist cause in China need to adopt the market economic system (although they left the United States, like many of China's socialist market economy, there are many doubts), and resolutely oppose the U.S. labor movement to spearhead point to China and so on. Should be recognized that American workers change in the span of the party to understand the world is very big, and it is to be welcomed.
7. And today the Trotskyist organization, is continuing to advocate Trotsky's "permanent revolution" theory, trying to use to replace Marxism-Leninism, Trotskyism, Trotskyist party used to replace the country's Marxist-Leninist The party, with the so-called Trotskyist "workers state" to replace the real socialist country. They slander the socialist China is a "counter-revolutionary restoration of capitalism" and "deformed workers state," called for China to conduct a so-called "workers political revolution", the establishment of a so-called "workers state", the establishment of "China's Trotsky Marxist political party, "and so on. Workers World Party and the United States in contrast, it is a practice of Marxism-Leninism and socialism as the goal, willing to work with the friendly Chinese people are willing to develop relations with the CPC to support the building of socialism with Chinese characteristics, the cause of the party. It is obvious that the U.S. Workers World Party and the Trotskyist organizations are different in nature.
In my opinion, to determine whether an organization is a Trotskyist, can not be whether he split from the Trotskyist organizations out to define this point. Is well known that many developed countries, the Communist Party from the Socialist Party or the Social Democratic Party in the breakaway, but we have not thereby assumed that the party is still at the Social Democratic Party, but at best can only say that the party of social democracy in the development process of There are certain extent. We are on the original Trotskyist affected by certain individuals or organizations should also take such an attitude. Especially the United States such a Workers World Party and the Chinese people are engaged full of internationalism and friendship of the socialist cause of the party, we should not lightly be classified among the ranks of the Trotskyist to go, but should be in accordance with its basic theories, political views and practical action to give objective, impartial evaluation This is conducive to the development of the cause of socialism in the world.
I personally USA Workers World Party contacts and knowledge are limited, I do not believe that these materials have been able to fully ascertained the nature of the U.S. Workers World Party, more unpredictable its future development. In the future, the world will continue to experience changes in the U.S. Workers World Party also will be new changes in place, it has the nature of what is really needed us for further observation and reflection. However, from the known situation, I think that the U.S. Workers World Party as a "Trotskyist organization" is not appropriate, and we even can not simply treat it as a "Maoist" organization; to the United States Workers World Party as an independent radical left-wing organizations preferred.
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How do the modern WWP and PSL feel about Stalin?
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They do both support Stalin; however, they are critical of some of his policies. It's odd though that PSL doesn't take a major stance on Stalin/Trotsky/Khrushchev. They somehow manages to uphold all of them.
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Are they critical of socialism in one country
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If you have FB, you can go to the WWP page and add it. Or you can do a quick Google search for their main site and check their FAQ's. If all else fails, you can even send an inquiring email to whoever handles that end of communications. The best way to get information about a party's platform is straight from the horse's mouth.
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Post 09 Aug 2010, 13:46
I've emailed both and I've been waiting two weeks for a response
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Post 14 Aug 2010, 02:50
Red Brigade wrote:
I've emailed both and I've been waiting two weeks for a response


Yeah I know that feeling. Going off of what Order227 said, try checking out their facebook pages, you might get a quicker response.

From what I have seen most CP's are supportive of world revolution.
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Post 16 Aug 2010, 03:08
WWP is in the Trotskyist tradition and they uphold Trotsky over Stalin. But they vigorously uphold "Stalinist" states with as much fervor as any "Stalinist" party. They consider Stalin to be a centrist force with Trotsky on the left and Bukharin and Khrushchev on the right. As far as socialism in one country is concerned, they believe that in the long run it is impossible for socialism to survive in ONLY one country and there must be a world revolution. But they strongly support any attempts at socialist or anti-imperialist movements to hold power.

The PSL is less defined in ideology. They trace their origins back to WWP and Sam Marcy but are even more estranged from their Trotskyist roots.

My criticism of Trotskyists is usually their "third camp" position in which they consider Stalinism and Imperialism to be equal dangers. Neither the WWP or PSL can be accused of this. In fact they have been accused of just the opposite, of giving complete backing to ANY anti-American force in the world. I used to be a hardline anti-Trotskyist. But it would be idiotically dogmatic to criticize these parties from the position of anti-Trotskyism. Theres not much point in bringing up old debates from the 1930s but for what its worth these "Trotskyists" support and defend the 1930s USSR more than many Maoists and mainline Communist Parties.

If you want to get in touch, you might try emailing some of their local chapters or Admins from their facebook group or calling their national offices.
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