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Post 07 Dec 2007, 23:46
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correct, liberalism and "democracy" are nothing more than one and the same word for capitalism.


"Democracy is the road to socialism." - Karl Marx.

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23. NBP is not left and not right, but national party of Russians. Russian is defined not on blood and not on creed. THE ONE WHO CONSIDERS RUSSIAN LANGUARGE AND RUSSIAN CULTURE – HIS OWN, HISTORY of RUSSIA – HIS OWN HISTORY, WHO HAS SPILLED AND IS READY TO SPILL THE OWN AND ANOTHER'S BLOOD IN A NAME OF RUSSIA AND ONLY FOR IT, ANY OTHER NATIVE LAND AND NATION DOES NOT THINK, IS RUSSIAN.


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see? everyone can be russian if he feels like it.

this is fascism with no comparison, LIMONOV IS A NEW HITER LOLOLHOMGHOMGROFLMAOZEDONG!!!


Sounds like fascism to me. Defend Russia? frag that. I defend the working class not some shithole country.

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3. Global purpose of National-bolshevism is the creation of Empire from Vladivostok up to Gibraltar on the basis of Russian civilization. The purpose will be achieved in four stages: à) Transformation of Russian Federation into the national state Russia by Russian Revolution, b) Joining of the territories of former republics of the Soviet Union, inhabit by Russians c) Rallying around of Russians Eurasian nations of the former USSR. d) Creation of huge continental Empire.


That is literally imperialism. Not economic but still imperialism.
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Post 08 Dec 2007, 00:03
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"Democracy is the road to socialism." - Karl Marx.


now why dont you ask yourself what kind of democracy; liberal or people's?
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Sounds like fascism to me. Defend Russia? frag that. I defend the working class not some shithole country.


so russia is a shithole country? how nice to hear that from someone who lives in america


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That is literally imperialism. Not economic but still imperialism.


so uniting russians under a red banner is imperialism but having a global empire like communism does is not? that's a bit hypocritic... or maybe revolution should not even start?
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Post 08 Dec 2007, 00:11
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now why dont you ask yourself what kind of democracy; liberal or people's?


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correct, liberalism and "democracy" are nothing more than one and the same word for capitalism.


You didn't make that distinction before. And democracy doesn't exist in the west. We have some vague democratic freedoms but we don't have "liberal democracy".

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so russia is a shithole country? how nice to hear that from someone who lives in america


Actually I meant that more about countries in general. As in: I'm not gonna die for some shithole country. Although a better choice in terms would have changed that, like "I'm not gonna die for some fragging country". That works. And Russia isn't exactly paradise friend. It capitalist and imperialist, its the eastern america any more.

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so uniting russians under a red banner is imperialism but having a global empire like communism does is not? that's a bit hypocritic... or maybe revolution should not even start?


Having an empire is always imperial. I'm not striving for a working man empire I'm working towards a working man democracy.
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Post 08 Dec 2007, 00:14
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You didn't make that distinction before. And democracy doesn't exist in the west. We have some vague democratic freedoms but we don't have "liberal democracy".


ask westreners how they call it!
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Actually I meant that more about countries in general. As in: I'm not gonna die for some shithole country. Although a better choice in terms would have changed that, like "I'm not gonna die for some fragging country". That works. And Russia isn't exactly paradise friend. It capitalist and imperialist, its the eastern america any more.


yes, russia is capitalist but i'm quite certain russians will love their land and not their system, isnt that true?
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Having an empire is always imperial. I'm not striving for a working man empire I'm working towards a working man democracy.


empire only on paper and socialist in it's heart.
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Post 08 Dec 2007, 00:21
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ask westreners how they call it!


Why would I ask a person who has been lied to for decades what their opinion is on the matter they'd been lied to about? Anything I got out of them would be suspect. Anyone with even a basic understanding of democracy could tell you that every western country has a representative republic, not a democracy.

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yes, russia is capitalist but i'm quite certain russians will love their land and not their system, isnt that true?


And that's why the Soviet system is back in place?

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empire only on paper and socialist in it's heart.


Yeah I'm sure that's what the fascist nazbol dictators will say.
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Post 08 Dec 2007, 00:32
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Why would I ask a person who has been lied to for decades what their opinion is on the matter they'd been lied to about? Anything I got out of them would be suspect. Anyone with even a basic understanding of democracy could tell you that every western country has a representative republic, not a democracy.


fair enough, so let's fight against liberalism, representative republic and capitalism.

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And that's why the Soviet system is back in place?


i'm sure many people would wish this to be true.

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Yeah I'm sure that's what the fascist nazbol dictators will say.


i personally voulenteer to become a fascist nazbol dictator to disprove your claim.
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Post 08 Dec 2007, 00:43
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fair enough, so let's fight against liberalism, representative republic and capitalism.


Do you mean liberalism in the european sense or american? Because I'm way more anxious to fight right-wingers than I am psuedo-left bourgeoisie.

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i'm sure many people would wish this to be true.


But are they a majority?

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i personally voulenteer to become a fascist nazbol dictator to disprove your claim.


Yes. Do IT!
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Post 08 Dec 2007, 00:47
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Do you mean liberalism in the european sense or american? Because I'm way more anxious to fight right-wingers than I am psuedo-left bourgeoisie.


european

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But are they a majority?


quite sure of that

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Laugh out loud Yes. Do IT!


fine!
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Post 08 Dec 2007, 01:27
If the National Bolsheviks aren't fascistic, then why is it that all the NazBols I have ever run across online are anti-semitic, homophobic, racist, xenophobic bastards? I've even seen NazBols praise Vlasov and say that the Black Hundreds (a proto-fascist group in pre-revolutionary Russia) were revolutionaries. I've also seen NazBols speak sympathetically of National Unity of Russia, Northern Alliance, and the Russian National Socialist Party as "allies" of the NazBols.
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Post 08 Dec 2007, 01:34
because those people are usually a NBP rightist splinter cell that who call themselves NBF?
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Post 11 Dec 2007, 04:28
I don't think Kant would have approved of National Bolshevism.
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Post 11 Dec 2007, 04:58
Explain further, Moris?
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Post 11 Dec 2007, 07:52
I'm not worried by the National Bolsheviks. Systems of hate and ignorance never endure forever. People in Western democracies are largely content enough not to rebel or revolt against democratically-elected leaders, have enough cheap food to eat, have cheap TV sets with lots of prolefeed. They won't flock to some obscure Russian ideology.
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Post 11 Dec 2007, 10:16
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Explain further, Moris?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_B ... ent_groups

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I'm not worried by the National Bolsheviks. Systems of hate and ignorance never endure forever. People in Western democracies are largely content enough not to rebel or revolt against democratically-elected leaders, have enough cheap food to eat, have cheap TV sets with lots of prolefeed. They won't flock to some obscure Russian ideology.


why would westreners want to flock to a russian ideology?
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Post 11 Dec 2007, 10:25
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why would westreners want to flock to a russian ideology?


Exactly my point, thanks for playing.
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Post 11 Dec 2007, 10:44
i was ironic
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Post 11 Dec 2007, 10:51
You were also unknowingly realistic. Westerners in Europe aren't going to submit to National Bolshevism. I already explained why. The E.U. doesn't seem to be going National Bolshevik any time soon, either. Waving around black and red flags with a big hammer and sickle symbol on them isn't going to create a real-life Eurasia.
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Post 11 Dec 2007, 10:57
westren europe probably wouldnt, although i know a few NBP members in britain and if i'm correct they have a large cell in sweden too. but yes, national bolshevism is more of an ideology for the eastren europe, westren europe is an eurocommunist zone at best.
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Post 11 Dec 2007, 11:44
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westren europe probably wouldnt, although i know a few NBP members in britain and if i'm correct they have a large cell in sweden too. but yes, national bolshevism is more of an ideology for the eastren europe, westren europe is an eurocommunist zone at best.


Then why do you guys think there should be a Eurasian Russian nation? Doesn't that geographically include the Western European nations or are they going to be dumped into the ocean?

I just don't see how nationalistic communism is not a contradiction. Didn't Marx preach international proletarianism? Or am I a Trotskyist with no grasp of Marx despite being a former communist?

Sorry if I sound condescending, I just don't like what I've read and heard about National Bolshevism. It honestly sounds like you guys read 1984 way too much or something.

And then when I go to National Bolshevik websites like the US version, I see this vague stuff: "The National Bolshevik Party USA stands for basic ideals like honor, tradition, and justice, while also advocating specific policies like the nationalization of utilities and some large industries, the limiting of the number of immigrants who come to the US each year, and the removal of our troops from foreign countries. While it would be foolish to suggest that we know exactly how we would proceed with building a new society once the old one is abolished, we do have some clearly laid out principles and ideas for policies that would guide us as we did so. We are not without positive ideals then, and it is due to these ideals that we are so focused on overthrowing a system which contradicts them in so many ways."

Okay, so you stand for honor, tradition, justice, but how do you implement any of these things? Hell, I stand for justice, but how am I going to establish justice? Besides, what is justice? Many communists want the death of the bourgeoisie, how's that justice? That's just murder. And then there's honor... Klingon honor? Roman honor? What is honor, and how are you going to establish an honorable society? And what traditions? Republicans in America stand for tradition, and I really am scared of them.

I just don't think a vague platform will sell to people outside certain circles in the former Soviet sphere.
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Post 11 Dec 2007, 16:07
This topic is completely stupid.

You are discussing political program that was written in 1994, when Russian communists and nationalists joined their forces to fight against Yeltsin's regime. Nazbols have abandoned this program years ago.
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