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Post 12 Jul 2006, 04:47
I've been looking into them for about a year. I've eliminated the YCL and the revolutionary brigade that the RCP offers. I'm down to two:

Youth for International Socialism
Youth for Socialist Action

Opinions or experiences with them?
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Post 12 Jul 2006, 07:28
Which of the two organisations is larger? Which is more active? Which one seems closer to your own opinions?
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Post 12 Jul 2006, 21:26
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Which of the two organisations is larger?


Parties don't give out member numbers anymore but I would guess the YFIS.

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Which is more active?


Not sure again. But looking at YFIS protest page, they don't seem really active.

Y4SA has you start your own chapter (simiar to the YCL).

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Which one seems closer to your own opinions?


Thats the problem now isn't it?
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Post 13 Jul 2006, 02:26
Try sending each organisation an e-mail with your questions and concerns.
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Post 13 Jul 2006, 03:14
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Youth for International Socialism


Dude... I don't wanna laugh, because you are obviously earnest and trying to figure it out... but the last article on the website was dated 2000! They are obviously more dead than a doornail! Choose LIFE, bro!

Plus, I would stay away from the Grant-Woods tendency: one, because of their odious politics of entrism which is dishonest and destructive; two, because they are completely fragged up on oppressed nationalities.

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Youth for Socialist Action


These people are apparently the people who stuck with Permanent Revolution when the SWP lurched into Castro-opportunism. Thats cool, that tells me they have some modicum of integrity (...by Trot standards of course
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Your what, 16? If you *insist* on Trotskyism, I'd suggest you stay away from these sectlets and just work with ANSWER. Then, when you are an adult and you are still down for it, consider the WWP or PSL


Of course, you KNOW where I stand on THAT whole divide
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Post 14 Jul 2006, 15:50
Dont know much about them,but have you checked out Revolutionary Youth?

http://www.freepeoplesmovement.org/ry/index.html
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Post 18 Jul 2006, 07:05
I'll get around to emailing them this year *no rush right?). Thanks Greggers for being supportive.


And as for the Revolutionary Youth, its never reall appealed to me.

And I found a site (which I thought closed):
YPSL, which is the youth party for the SP-USA.
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Post 18 Jul 2006, 17:30
Both of those groups are Trotskyites!!

Do you want to spend your time working for "transitional demands" and building the "labor party" or do you want to work for revolution?
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OUR LEADER IS CHAIRMAN AVAKIAN
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Post 18 Jul 2006, 18:16
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Both of those groups are Trotskyites!!


Good job, heres a cookie.
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Do you want to spend your time working for "transitional demands" and building the "labour party" or do you want to work for revolution?


I don't see a revolutionary party gaining any real mass movement with the masses in the US.
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Post 24 Jul 2006, 22:06
Im in the young socialists we have the same ideology as the SWP (us) why dont you check us out at the pathfinder bookstore were you are (if there is on)
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Post 25 Jul 2006, 00:03
Do you have a list of where the stores are?
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Post 25 Jul 2006, 02:32
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Of course, you KNOW where I stand on THAT whole divide

No, I don't, and I'd like to learn a bit about it as I have no idea why the PSL split. If it's really long, feel free to make a new topic.
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Post 27 Jul 2006, 02:29
y4sa responded in two letters.
I asked them why I should choose the y4sa>YPSL

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I use to be in the YPSL once upon a time, and left it because I found it to by and large be an inactive group. The YPSL, and the Socialist Party that it is affiliated to, pride themselves on being broad "mulit-tendency" socialist group. That initially is what attracted me to them. But once inside I found that what that meant is that nobody really agrees on much, other than a generic affinity for undefined socialism, and because of that the group barely functioned. There were, and I'm sure still are, a lot of good people in those groups who do good work, but the good work they do seems to be inspire of their membership in the YPSL or SP.

Youth for Socialist Action, and our affiliated party, Socialist Action, are specifically revolutionary socialist with a very clear program, which enables us to effectively work together around common campaigns.


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Adam R. sent me a note that you live in Philly and are looking for info
on Youth 4 Socialist Action and YPSL. I'm a member of Socialist Action
and a former member of YPSL and the Socialist Party who lives on the
Jersey side of the river, so I thought I might have some insight on the
matter.

YPSL and the Socialist Party are bigger on paper than YSA or Socialist
Action, but in reality that doesn't translate to much. SA and YSA are
organizations that take a very serious outlook on coordinating members'
work, whether it's in antiwar or immigrant rights struggles, or
environmental or labor work or any of the other things we do, and the
newspaper is a great tool for education as well. The SP and YPSL give
red cards out to anybody who signs up, and while any work you did would
be encouraged, you'd basically be on your own. The SP has a small
presence in Philly, but they mostly just support the Greens.

We're working to build a branch in Philadelphia of both Socialist
Action and Youth 4 Socialist Action members. We'll be having regular
forums and classes starting in the fall, and we're actively involved in
antiwar work and solidarity for Cuba and Venezuela, and are looking to
be part of support for political prisoners and the immigrant rights
movement as well. If you join YSA, you'll have a chance to work in any
or all of these causes (or anything else that interests you) with
serious activists building toward socialism. YSA is also the youth
group, so you would be more in charge of how much time and energy you
want to commit -- we don't want to dictate your life. But there is no
substitute for experience, for getting out there and being part of the
political scene, and we'd be there working on the same page.

That's the pitch: YSA would be great for you if you want to be a
serious activist. YPSL can't even compare.
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Post 27 Jul 2006, 04:44
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Of course, you KNOW where I stand on THAT whole divide


No, I don't, and I'd like to learn a bit about it as I have no idea why the PSL split. If it's really long, feel free to make a new topic.


I meant the Communist/Trotskyist divide. As far as the WWP/PSL, nobody seems to know. It's bizarre.

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Umm... are they cool with you posting private correspondence on an Internet forum?
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Post 27 Jul 2006, 15:59
If you join Young Socialists of the SWP, I hope you like getting a job as a meatpacker... I also hope you like running for city council and getting 0.0001% of the vote. That's about all the SWP does.

Read their paper.

www.themilitant.com

It's rather dull, rather reformist, and rather economist.

Just my thoughts.
OUR IDEOLOGY IS MARXISM-LENINISM-MAOISM

OUR VANGUARD IS THE REVOLUTIONARY COMMUNIST PARTY

OUR LEADER IS CHAIRMAN AVAKIAN
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Post 27 Jul 2006, 16:03
also,

if you join the SWP, you had better think Cuba is heaven on earth, and all other Socialist governments in the world are "Stalinist"...

an interesting line...

I refer to the SWP as ex-trots...

they still sells Trotsky's writings, but totally disagree with him.

One time I went to Pathfinder books and this old SWP woman says to me "Trotsky realized you can't have socialism in one country..." and she goes on and on and on about "Stalinism" and why you can't have socialism in one country...

and then she tells me "check out the latest issue of our paper, it tells how cuba is a thriving socialist society..."

hmmm... last time I checked Cuba was only one country. Doesn't that make Castro an evil stalinist?

SWP confuses me!
OUR IDEOLOGY IS MARXISM-LENINISM-MAOISM

OUR VANGUARD IS THE REVOLUTIONARY COMMUNIST PARTY

OUR LEADER IS CHAIRMAN AVAKIAN
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Post 27 Jul 2006, 19:00
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Umm... are they cool with you posting private correspondence on an Internet forum?


I censored out the private parts. So I don't see why not.

And thanks for your input M4L.
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