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Oranges in East Germany

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 07 Dec 2013, 14:24
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Unperson
Post 08 Jan 2014, 10:36
Was this a sign of revisionism? I have heard from former East Germans that there was a dearth of fresh fruit available and by the mid-70s Dr. Were advising the government that this could lead to serious health problems. But, the USSR was always falling out with countries that could provide them with fresh fruit during a European Winter. But the government in East Germany did act on this and start importing fresh fruit from Africa and the black market flourished with their sale too.

Was this revisionism? Should East Germany have traded outside COMECON in this way? As the oranges and fresh fruit were not being provided under socialism, but had to be bought from capitalist countries with foreign currency. Yet where did they get this foreign currency? Well they had to export goods outside COMECON to earn it. Which meant capitalists in the West could take advantage of low labour costs in Eastern Europe.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 04 Aug 2004, 20:49
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Post 08 Jan 2014, 11:15
You should know that the Comecon was a vague institution that had quite limited power in directing the foreign trade criteria of each member state. It had no such power to dictate to individual countries like this, and trade deals could be struck with whomever wanted to trade with that particular country. The member states were largely autarkic.

Where did you get this?
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Post 08 Jan 2014, 11:23
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Post 08 Jan 2014, 11:34
How was this the fault of Comecon and not the inability of the GDR to strike consistent trade deals? Many deals lock competitors and other nations out of the process, the UK only manages to feed itself through imports to this day.
Oh, they did import tropical fruit from African states.
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Post 08 Jan 2014, 17:51
Is that the hallmark of a successful economy, a shortage of fresh fruit that is affecting the health of its citizens?
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 14 Jul 2008, 20:01
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Post 09 Jan 2014, 22:24
This is bullshit. The lack of tropical fruits certainly didn't pose a danger to the health of GDR citizens.
"Don't know why i'm still surprised with this shit anyway." - Loz
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Post 10 Jan 2014, 11:55
http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/5ADAY/Pages/Why5ADAY.aspx


Denying sound medical advice that eating fruit and veg is good for you?
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Post 10 Jan 2014, 12:20
There was an abundance of fruit and vegetables in the GDR. Not quite as much variety as in the west, but it's ridiculous to claim that people suffered any kind of malnutrition. Apples and cabbage are just as healthy as kiwis and pineapples. It's not like exotic fruit is a necessity for survival.
"Don't know why i'm still surprised with this shit anyway." - Loz
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Post 10 Jan 2014, 12:28
Mabool wrote:
There was an abundance of fruit and vegetables in the GDR. Not quite as much variety as in the west, but it's ridiculous to claim that people suffered any kind of malnutrition. Apples and cabbage are just as healthy as kiwis and pineapples. It's not like exotic fruit is a necessity for survival.


http://www.dw.de/east-germany-relied-on ... a-15932840

There may well have been an abundance of them in the GDR but their ultimate destination was West Berlin!


Honeckor was flogging them to the capitalists to plug the GDRs deficit!
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Post 10 Jan 2014, 12:40
Deutsche Welle is a really crappy source for any kind of information about the GDR. And what's your point anyway? Obviously I agree that world revolution would have been nicer than an Eastern Bloc in which you have to coexist and trade with capitalists, and that people were mistreated by the stalinist regimes and so on, but you're not convincing anyone here. People were healthy in the GDR, and they got exotic fruits too, every now and then. And to be honest I think it's quite nice that a state decides to give an annual gift of oranges and pineapples to its citizens, even though they can't actually afford it and it's really an unncessary luxury. You're not going to see such a gesture from any capitalist state, ever.
"Don't know why i'm still surprised with this shit anyway." - Loz
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Post 10 Jan 2014, 13:06
Gosh, you make it sounds so wonderful. If it was such a workers paradise with an abundance of luxuries and other fine things and people really were happy and healthy why oh why did they have to build a wall to keep people in?
I understand that Drs are not infallible, so those Drs in the GDR who said that a lack of fruit and vegetables would lead to health problems must have got it wrong, as there were no shortages. But why did the Drs think there were and why did the state start importing more fruit and veg? Surely they would have just corrected the Drs on their error?
It take it Deutsche Welle is full or reformist lies? There were no political prisoners forced into labour and those hideous fashions that even your gran would reject as too square were not what people in the East really had to wear.
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Post 10 Jan 2014, 13:10
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Obviously I agree that world revolution would have been nicer than an Eastern Bloc in which you have to coexist and trade with capitalists, and that people were mistreated by the stalinist regimes and so on
"Don't know why i'm still surprised with this shit anyway." - Loz
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Post 10 Jan 2014, 17:16
How ironic that Yami is falling for the ideologically driven cold-war propaganda of imperialist stooges, hook, line and sinker!
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