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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 04 Aug 2004, 20:49
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Post 12 Dec 2013, 15:39
Yeah, lol. Giving to someone who's just been extremely fortunate to hit 70 a pension of a couple of shillings a week is a great example of welfare. It's a Tory idea of excess, for sure.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 07 Dec 2013, 14:24
Ideology: Democratic Socialism
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Post 12 Dec 2013, 16:09
Erichs_Pastry_Chef wrote:
Yeah, lol. Giving to someone who's just been extremely fortunate to hit 70 a pension of a couple of shillings a week is a great example of welfare. It's a Tory idea of excess, for sure.


Nah, the Liberals gave us the state pension, the German conservatives the NHS.
Nada to do with socialism.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 18 Apr 2010, 04:44
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Post 12 Dec 2013, 18:23
Yami, you don't seem to realize that without Socialist agitation, none of these reform measures (pitifully inadequate as they are) would ever have been implemented. Without the always present threat of the working class turning to the Socialist or Communist parties, the capitalists would forever have turned a deaf ear to even the most crying inequality.

You may remember the solution that Herbert Hoover and his ilk advocated during the dawning of the Great Depression: private charity (untouched by government funding, of course).
Miss Strangelove: "You feed giants laxatives so goblins can mine their poop before the gnomes get to it."
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 07 Dec 2013, 14:24
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Post 12 Dec 2013, 18:45
Comrade Gulper wrote:
Yami, you don't seem to realize that without Socialist agitation, none of these reform measures (pitifully inadequate as they are) would ever have been implemented. Without the always present threat of the working class turning to the Socialist or Communist parties, the capitalists would forever have turned a deaf ear to even the most crying inequality.

You may remember the solution that Herbert Hoover and his ilk advocated during the dawning of the Great Depression: private charity (untouched by government funding, of course).


If these reform measures, as you put are pitifully inadequate, then stop defending them!
Just like you can't be a bit pregnant, you can't have a bit of socialism under capitalism. To belive this is lunacy. The NHS in the UK is there to enable the British economy to compete in the World economy. The capitalist class supported its creation in 1948 as they gambled that this would give them a more efficient workforce and lead to larger share of the Worlds markets.

Reforms no, revolution yes!
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 10 Sep 2006, 22:05
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Post 12 Dec 2013, 22:03
Yeah in the real world, where we actually care about workers today and not some abstracted "workers", things like NHS and child labor laws are great accomplishments even if they do not finish the job.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 07 Dec 2013, 14:24
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Post 12 Dec 2013, 22:20
Dagoth Ur wrote:
Yeah in the real world, where we actually care about workers today and not some abstracted "workers", things like NHS and child labor laws are great accomplishments even if they do not finish the job.


Given to us by liberals and conservatives!

Sorry, was Marx an abstract thinker? I thought his writings were concrete and grounded in reality.
He was offering us a workable alternative to the madness that is capitalism. But the capitalists are not daft, they simply bought us off with welfare!
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 19 Mar 2005, 20:08
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Post 17 Dec 2013, 05:00
Hey Yami, you claim to be a communist and claim that the UK is the best place for workers in Europe. What are your problems with the existing system and why? Please answer in concrete terms and not slogans.
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