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Post 19 Feb 2011, 11:40
First of all,i would like to say a couple of words about the idea following this thread,i want to tell you a grand story,a tale of a land risen from the ashes!As you all know,Yugoslavia paid a great price in human lives during the war,1,027,000 lives were lost,many died from nazi bullets,some even from allied bombs.The people of Yugoslavia were filled with joy,the nazi invaders were destroyed and the homeland was free,but there was a great problem that had to be solved,the war caused so many death's and horrible crimes,but not only the people were affected,the infrastructure was severely damaged,the towns and villages destroyed by constant fighting and bombing.It was time to rebuild the country,a great task.

There were many work activities,but i am going to cover only one of them,the building of a modern,new,grand city,the building of New Belgrade.
*Today,New Belgrade is a part of Belgrade,although,some people think of it as an individual city.*

Onward to the construction of New Belgrade!

It was on April 11, 1948, three years after World War II ended, that the ground was broken on a huge construction project, which would give birth to what is known today as New Belgrade.

Buildings sprung up one after another and by 1952, New Belgrade was officially a municipality. In 1955 the municipality of Bežanija was annexed to Novi Beograd. It was for years the biggest construction site in Federal People's Republic of Yugoslavia and a huge source of pride for country's communist authorities that oversaw the project.

During first three years of construction alone, over 100 thousand workers and engineers from all over the freshly liberated country took part in the building process. Work brigades made up of villagers brought in from rural Serbia provided most of the manual labour. Even high school and university student volunteers took part. It was backbreaking labour that went on day and night. With no notable technological tools to speak of, mixing of concrete and spreading of sand were done by hand with horse carriages only used for extremely heavy lifting.

Mounted police in streets of New Belgrade

Before the actual construction started, the terrain was evenly covered with sand from the Sava and the Danube rivers in an effort to dry out the land and raise it above the reach of flooding and underground streams.

Among the first to go up was the SIV (Savezno izvršno veće) building, which housed the Federal Executive Council. The building has 75,000 square meters of usable space. Built during the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, it was also used during the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia before its dissolution. The building has been renamed Palace Serbia, and now houses some departments of the Serbian government.

First buildings for classic residential purposes were built as pavilions close to the area known as Tošin Bunar (Toša's Well). Studentski Grad (Student City) complex was also built around the same time to meet the residence needs of the growing University of Belgrade student body that came from other parts of Serbia.
The birgades responsible for the construction!
-Sesta makedonska, (6 macedonian) Prva Kamenicka (1 kamenicka) Prva Visegradska (1 visegrad) Prva odzacka,Prva svrljiska,Pohorska,Prva pazinska kotarska,Prva krizevacka kotarska,Osma dalmatinska (8 dalmatian) Prva delnicka,Prva bosansko-samacka,Prva pozeska,Prva djakovacka,Prva jablanicka,Prva novosadska,Prva trstenicka,Prva novogradiska,Druga brcanska (2 brcanska) Prva pakracka,Prva gospicka-kotarska.
Although these names probably don't mean anything to you,i wanted to present just how many of the brigades were involved in the building process,there were roughly 5000 people just in the section i listed.
Along with their comrades from the Warsaw pact countries,the youth of Yugoslavia made glorious building achievements,alas,my horrible english is preventing me from elaborating and i am really sorry that a language barrier exists.


Once again,i would like to say that i am very sorry for my horrible english,i hope some parts of the post are readable.

In the coming days,i will find an adequate translator,and i hope the language barrier will be shattered.
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Post 19 Feb 2011, 20:00
if you need help with translation i can give you a hand.
indeed, after world war reconstruction began on a massive scale, something kingdom was unable pull off with it's market economy. this story is my favourite though;

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A Tale of Two Cities

Here’s a trivia question for you: During the Cold War, what central European city was divided between a democratic west side and a communist east side by a long security fence?

If you answered “Berlin,” give yourself one point. If you answered “Gorizia,” give yourself ten points and a certificate for outstanding achievement in the field of historic excellence. Not many people know about Gorizia/Nova Gorica, the city is now meshing together after decades of straddling between Yugoslavia and Italy. It’s unfortunate, because the story is a good one.

The tale begins, like so many others, at the Paris Peace Conference of 1946, when European borders were redrawn and war reparations were calculated. Yugoslavia, as a triumphant ally, did pretty well when it came to reparations: a hundred million dollars from Italy and Hungary, plus 25 million from Bulgaria for good measure. It didn’t do too well when it came to drawing the new borders.

Marshall Tito had a hankering for the Austrian cities of Klagenfurt and Villach, plus the Italian Adriatic port of Trieste and the town of Gorizia.

He didn’t get them. But Tito was never one to be discouraged, so he came up with a cunning (and slightly crazy) plan.

His plan was this: If Yugoslavia couldn’t have Gorizia, it would invent it. By which I mean it would build its own version — directly next to the old one. And the new one (or so the communists hoped) would be bigger, faster, stronger: a living monument to the glory of socialism. That’s how, in 1948, Nova Gorica (lit. new Gorica) was born. Around the same time, a fence was erected to divide the two cities.

Luckily for everyone, it never became the flashpoint that Berlin was, nor was it as strictly separated. After Slovenia abandoned Yugoslavia and communism in 1991, the two cities began their inevitable fusion. As I type these words, in fact, the security fence between Nova Gorica and Gorizia is being physically dismantled, and after Slovenia joins the European Union on May 1, flowers will be planted on its remains. After that, Gorizia/Nova Gorica will be free to follow the example of Berlin and join together in harmony.

I love happy endings.

The Slovenia Times, Slovenia’s English-language newspaper, has more about the Nova Gorica/Gorizia story here.


http://www.carniola.org/2004/03/14/
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Post 19 Feb 2011, 20:25
Thank you Moris,on your feedback,well,my english is alright for now,and as we say,"uciti uciti i samo uciti"
. I made a short trip to Gorizia,and i must say,it is quite a cute little town,you can see the difference between the architecture,and the people themselves,Slovenia was way ahead of other Yugoslavian republic's i must say,i ocasionaly go to Bled,the famous tourist spot,and i am sure it is one of the most beautiful places i visited.I would love if you could post some information about the work-activities in Slovenia.I will present a more detailed report and post about the construction of New Belgrade,the many buildings and the famous,"Bratstvo Jedinstvo" highway. (the highway that went through the entire SFRJ)
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Post 19 Feb 2011, 20:33
bled is awesome and postojna as well, if you've ever been there, but my favourite place is still piran, i have lots of good memories on that place
i've been to belgrade as well and i must say it's one of my favourite cities. i have no idea what's the difference between old and new belgrade though but then again i was only there for a weekend. what sort of work activities are you interested in?
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Post 20 Feb 2011, 03:00
I watched at Nova Gorica view from the space. It's rather pleasant place to live in, I think. Especially I like that it's the green town without big cities' bustle. It's interesting for me in the Italian part of Gorica people identify themselves as Italians or Slovenians?

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*Today,New Belgrade is a part of Belgrade,although,some people think of it as an individual city.*

My city from its beginning has two almost independent parts, so many foreigners think that it's two different cities. But as I've understood New and Old Belgrade looks as one and just its citizens think it's not, am I right?

And one more question: has New Belgrade some memorials of this labour heroic deed? If it has - can you give some links to watch at it?
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I watched at Nova Gorica view from the space. It's rather pleasant place to live in, I think. Especially I like that it's the green town without big cities' bustle.


all slovenian cities are green actually, slovenia is the third most forested country in europe after finland and estonia. then again our population is very small as well.

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It's interesting for me in the Italian part of Gorica people identify themselves as Italians or Slovenians?


most of slovenes living in gorizia identify themselves as italians nowadays. lots of youngers dont even bother learning slovenian and some of them even belong to reactionary and neo-fascist parties. i remember italian communists complaining on some forum that slovenes in italy nowadays are reactionary, at least the younger ones which was very weird since our media always portrays western slovenes as leftist partisans. i'd say fear is an important factor here since neo-fascism in strong in this part of italy and lots of youngers dont see point in trying to resist anymore.
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Post 20 Feb 2011, 12:26
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But as I've understood New and Old Belgrade looks as one and just its citizens think it's not, am I right?


Yes,you are right,in principle, this is one city, but the population of the New Belgrade behaves as if it were a completely different city, even though under the constitution it is only one of the municipalities. I personally find Novi Beograd much more beautiful, wide street, piles of buildings, skyscrapers, cultural centers, swimming pools, sports centers, - the influence of socialist architecture is clear. Here are a few pictures, the difference is huge:

Novi beograd (new) Built by the comrades

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Stari Beograd (old)
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And one more question: has New Belgrade some memorials of this labour heroic deed? If it has - can you give some links to watch at it?


No,no manifestations,and building's,there are some,but they are not as nearly big and magnificent as they should be,the comrades who built it are currently working on the making of a great public memorial building,+statue,since i know some of them,i will keep up-dateing information about their progress,but i am sure they will make it.
If they get enough money for the statue,it would be over 10 meters high,a giant working man and a women,both raising a big red star.


Here is a short video film about New Belgrade (socialist built)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_eY97ne1B4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrJnvRKM ... re=related - mostly newer built things.
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Post 20 Feb 2011, 13:38
Moris wrote:
i'd say fear is an important factor here since neo-fascism in strong in this part of italy and lots of youngers dont see point in trying to resist anymore.

I can't believe that people repudiate from their origin so easily (especially when your own nation is at just little distance). And fear of what is strong? Fear of guest workers or what?
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There are some,but they are not as nearly big and magnificent as they should be,the comrades who built it are currently working on the making of a great public memorial building,+statue,since i know some of them,i will keep up-dateing information about their progress,but i am sure they will make it.
If they get enough money for the statue,it would be over 10 meters high,a giant working man and a women,both raising a big red star.

It's great! Have you a project picture? And do they gather donations or have financing?
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I can't believe that people repudiate from their origin so easily (especially when your own nation is at just little distance). And fear of what is strong? Fear of guest workers or what?


slovenes lived there for like thousand years, i dont think that qualifies them as guest workers

in any case, despite what some certain people here say, italian fascism was in fact racist and up till today its followers remain loyal to the message of anti-slavism. you can get assaulted in italy if you speak slovene or serbo-croatian and not a year passes without something like this happening (even on slovene territory):
http://old.slomedia.it/?mod=aktualno&ac ... ne&ID=8657
http://old.slomedia.it/?mod=aktualno&ac ... ne&ID=1910
http://www.rtvslo.si/slovenija/gorica-s ... losc/35625

it's hard to be brave with pressure like this today and with yugoslavia gone the last strong anti-fascist factor in the region is gone with it.

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If they get enough money for the statue,it would be over 10 meters high,a giant working man and a women,both raising a big red star.


awesome! hopefully once it's done anti-serbs elements here will finally shut their traps about fascist renaissance in serbia. dunno if you heard but in ljubljana our mayor opened tito's avenue to counter revisionists.
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Post 20 Feb 2011, 14:16
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It's great! Have you a project picture? And do they gather donations?

I am glad that you like the idea.
I dont have any pictures of the statue,it was made in 1948,so there are only a few of the pictures,but i will try to find one,and il put it on the web.
The idea is to place the statue in front of the community hall,which was one of the main youth-culture centers.

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- the hall.
They dont take donations i think they finance it themselves.

@Moris:yes,we still have streets that bear the names of work brigades,partizan units,Yugoslav connected things.

And yes,it is true that there are alot of nationalist's in Serbia,
but thing's are slowly getting back in shape,i still cant belive how can a young man in Serbia follow Hitler's ideas,when his grandfather fought against the nazi's,maybe even died.It is a shame.

The democrats also have a lot against the builders of New Belgrade,perhaps they dont like the fact that the comrades built more things in 3 years than they built in 20.
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Post 20 Feb 2011, 14:31
how come you have so many nazis? i thought all parliamentary parties are staunchly anti-nazi?
we have similar problem with revisionism (glorification of the nazi backed white guard and depiction of partisans as communist militia) which is very strongly present in every right wing party.
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Post 20 Feb 2011, 14:52
The problem is not in the political parties, but in a variety of organizations that promote and glorify Nazism, which is terrible!The good thing is that the government has a lot of socialists, who are fighting against them.The Problem is that the strong nationalism has emerged after the collapse of normal society- after the breakup of Yugoslavia. And, similar to you (slovenia) , we can see that today the partisans and socialists,communists are represented as criminals and murderers, which is also disastrous.
Children absorb all the lies! Children think that the partisans were evil, they use the term 'commies' and 'red pigs' the same children have lost all work habits, they dont want to learn,they dont want to work ,they dont respect the people who fought for their freedom.
But,things are getting better,and i hope that the lies will be ignored.
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Post 20 Feb 2011, 16:05
Moris wrote:
slovenes lived there for like thousand years, i dont think that qualifies them as guest workers

Oops! I'm sorry it was my mistake. I thought that fascist ideas are spread among Slovenians. That's why I was surprised.
*I go to learn English*

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in any case, despite what some certain people here say, italian fascism was in fact racist and up till today its followers remain loyal to the message of anti-slavism. you can get assaulted in italy if you speak slovene or serbo-croatian and not a year passes without something like this happening (even on slovene territory):
http://old.slomedia.it/?mod=aktualno&ac ... ne&ID=8657
http://old.slomedia.it/?mod=aktualno&ac ... ne&ID=1910
http://www.rtvslo.si/slovenija/gorica-s ... losc/35625

it's hard to be brave with pressure like this today and with yugoslavia gone the last strong anti-fascist factor in the region is gone with it.

I sympathize with them - it is a problem of many countries. I also have some problems (but not serious) with my little not Russian view (my great grandmother was Buryat). But there should be many Slovenians in Gorica and I think they can to resist fascists at least at their own city. May be it's a question of organization and cooperation of Slovenians or not?
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I am glad that you like the idea.
I dont have any pictures of the statue,it was made in 1948,so there are only a few of the pictures,but i will try to find one,and il put it on the web.
The idea is to place the statue in front of the community hall,which was one of the main youth-culture centers.

So it was the old project and some comrades just said "we need this monument" and began actions? For own means? I've thought that so kind of initiative people is gone... And I'll wait for the pictures.
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I sympathize with them - it is a problem of many countries. I also have some problems (but not serious) with my little not Russian view (my great grandmother was Buryat). But there should be many Slovenians in Gorica and I think they can to resist fascists at least at their own city. May be it's a question of organization and cooperation of Slovenians or not?


well, there are more italians living in gorica and trst today than slovenians sadly
there is some cooperation on cultural level but honestly our governments never really cared for slovenes living in italy, not to mention slovenians living in austria who face similar problems. italy is still 30 times bigger than slovenia and can pressure our government to the point of submission.
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Post 20 Feb 2011, 16:35
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So it was the old project and some comrades just said "we need this monument" and began actions? For own means? I've thought that so kind of initiative people is gone... And I'll wait for the pictures.

Yes,the project was never realised,
mostly because of the new political situation.But it will be soon,and along the monument,a manifestation will be held,alot of builders will be present,it will be like a reunion.Comrades from other countries that took part in the building will also be present.
I will try to find more pictures,not too much of them are on the internet.
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