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Marinaleda, Spain

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 21 Nov 2010, 03:59
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Post 13 Dec 2010, 03:30
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Marinaleda is a town and municipio of the province of Seville, Andalusia, Spain. The town is a Communist farming cooperative, of 2,700 people. In 2008 its population was 2,708 people. Its surface is 25 km², with a density of 109,11hab/km².

The town is located at an altitude of 205 meters and lies 108 kilometers east of the provincial capital, Seville. Marinaleda belongs to the comarca of Estepa and is situated between this latter town and Écija, in the eastern part of the province of Seville, in the basin of the Genil river. Its geographical coordinates are 37º 22' N, 4º 57'W.

"They all thought that the market was God, who made everything work with his invisible hand. Before, it was a mortal sin to talk about the government having a role in the economy. Now, we see we have to put the economy at the service of man."
— Mayor Juan Manuel Sánchez Gordillo, May 2009 remarks about Spain’s real estate bust and rampant unemployment

Mr. Gordillo, the mayor for the past 30 years, has annoited Marinaleda a "utopia for peace", which has no municipal police (a savings of $350,000 a year). Additionally, political murals and revolutionary slogans adorn the town’s whitewashed walls and streets are named after Latin American leftists. Every few weeks, the town hall declares a Red Sunday over a bullhorn and volunteers clean the streets or do odd jobs.

Marinaleda has a long tradition of sociopolitical struggle by agricultural laborers, which has influenced decisively the attainment of diverse political and social advances. Marinaleda has been ruled by CUT-BAI (Collective for the Unity of Workers - Andalusian Left Bloc) since 1979 until 1986 when CUT joined United Left that has since then been the ruling party (whilst most of the composition of IU's Local branch is basically members of CUT-BAI).


I was wondering if any of you have heard of this place, and what you think of it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marinaleda,_Spain
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 30 Mar 2010, 01:20
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Post 13 Dec 2010, 03:41
I hadn't previously heard of it, but it sounds pretty good to me.

I'm not sure how it's different to a larger style commune or kibbutz though.

They've got their own website too, but it seems to be in Spanish only:
http://www.marinaleda.com/
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 14 Jul 2008, 20:01
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Post 13 Dec 2010, 08:27
WTF, why didn't I know about this?! I'm very impressed that something like this can exist inside of the EU.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 11 Dec 2010, 23:46
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Post 13 Dec 2010, 10:43
Yes, I do know about Marinaleda, like everyone in Spain. But I have to add one thing to the quoted text: the impressive socialist economy can exist in Marinaleda because of the economical aid that the town receives from the Spanish and Andalusian gouvernments. Which is nothing bad, because it just confirms that anarchism is bullshit and these kind of towns cannot survive by themselves.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 01 Dec 2010, 08:23
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Post 13 Dec 2010, 10:58
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Yes, I do know about Marinaleda, like everyone in Spain. But I have to add one thing to the quoted text: the impressive socialist economy can exist in Marinaleda because of the economical aid that the town receives from the Spanish and Andalusian gouvernments. Which is nothing bad, because it just confirms that anarchism is bullshit and these kind of towns cannot survive by themselves.


Biggest bullsh*t perpetuated by several far left comrades, unfortunately.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 07 Feb 2009, 16:56
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Post 15 Dec 2010, 16:01
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“Let’s turn over there, we’ll go by Che Guevara square.”

“To the left?”

“Of course, to the left. If it was to the right we couldn’t have put it such a name,” he jokes.


This made me chuckle, it is from the English link that T 34 provided.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 21 Dec 2004, 23:53
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Post 17 Dec 2010, 01:35
The town is a much better step forward than other towns; however, like Autodeterminacio pointed out, there are limits to working within the system. Besides, communists goal isn't to create a utopia isolated from capitalism, we want the world to be red.


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