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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 19 Sep 2005, 13:48
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Post 25 Nov 2010, 18:23
I know there's already a few threads on Cambodia during this time, but I don't think this has been asked in any of them, what were the diplomatic relations like between Democratic Kampuchea and the other socialist countries at the time?
Now what is this…
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 14 Jul 2008, 20:01
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Post 25 Nov 2010, 18:26
China supported them, another example as to why Mao completely lost it as he grew older.
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Post 25 Nov 2010, 18:27
All I know is that hostility existed with the Vietnamese from day one and the Chinese supported Cambodia because they thought Vietnam was too close to the Soviets. Even to the point of militarily attacking Vietnam. Just one more example of how shitty Mao's three world theory is.
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Post 25 Nov 2010, 18:27
Dag, I like how we've been saying exactly the same stuff lately.
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Post 25 Nov 2010, 19:01
I know right. Its weird how we went from damn near diametrically opposed to on the same page all the time. Evolution is a crazy bitch.

Although then again everybody should hate the three worlds theory. Its so mind numbingly retarded.
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Post 25 Nov 2010, 19:03
Well, you giving up on your rabid anti-Stalinism certainly played a huge role


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Although then again everybody should hate the three worlds theory. Its so mind numbingly retarded.


This.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 08 Nov 2007, 06:31
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Post 25 Nov 2010, 19:32
Mabool, I don't see many pro stalin posts from you anymore, either
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Post 25 Nov 2010, 19:34
That's because we don't talk about him that much anymore. I mean there was a time where like every other thread was about Stalin. But when the opportunity presents itself for the next time, the Stalinist Mabool will make a glorious comeback.
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Post 25 Nov 2010, 22:59
The Khmer Rouge were regarded by Vietnam as crazed Maoists who espoused a weird Khmer supremacist philosophy and persecuted the Vietnamese minority, which probably contributed to the Vietnamese invasion and deposing of the government.
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Post 25 Nov 2010, 23:06
Mabool wrote:
Well, you giving up on your rabid anti-Stalinism certainly played a huge role


It became apparent to me that being anti-whatever-historic-figure was just masturbation. That said Stalin was still a dick, a dick who hamfistedly achieved what had to be done. He over-centralized power which directly led to Gorby's destruction, he destroyed the legit socialist opposition that could have saved us from Gorby, he purged the army to remove any loyalty to Trotsky while signing a non-aggression pact with Nazis, he wasted valuable S-D allies against the Nazis, and he waited to long to begin industrialization which he then had to rush through. That's all I have against him and I gotta admit he handled his enemies like we should, he just saw the wrong people as enemies.
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Post 26 Nov 2010, 00:51
The Khmer Rouge had support from China and the United States, as well as the DPRK, if I am not mistaken. It is quite amazing that the USA would back a government aligned to Sihanouk, the very man they were worried about and which was quite ironically very leftist, pro-Chinese and pro-Maoist. When Sihanouk was in government, America was worried about him because he had many of these very same qualities! Things obviously were different if the new Khmer Rouge government was anti-Vietnamese and anti-Soviet, even if it was Communist and pro-China. Apparently the US secretly sent supplies to the Khmer Rouge via a certain small state in South East Asia too. If I am not mistaken, publically the Khmer Rouge espoused anti-American sentiments and captured a few westerners who they put in their disgusting torture prison. However in private they certainly were no enemy of the US. They were definitely antagonistic to Vietnam and a Khmer Rouge propaganda film in English notes these tensions. Relations with Thailand were not that terrible either, because if I recall properly, Thailand during the 1970s was having something of a 'red scare' and the victory of the communists in Vietnam was a huge victory for South East Asian communism, hence Cambodia was seen as a potential buffer state. We might say that the Khmer Rouge were an agent of the Beijing-Washington alliance of the era. Both America and China were more than happy to back a state which could counter the Soviet influence in the region and this was during a period of relative cordiality between the two since the Shanghai Communique in 1972.

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The Khmer Rouge were regarded by Vietnam as crazed Maoists who espoused a weird Khmer supremacist philosophy and persecuted the Vietnamese minority, which probably contributed to the Vietnamese invasion and deposing of the government.


Cambodian Muslims and any other minorities also suffered greatly under the state. Apparently they wanted to go back to some ideal period. Sounds very similar to fascist romantic ideals of a golden era, ethnically pure state.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 14 Jan 2010, 05:46
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Post 26 Nov 2010, 03:12
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They were definitely antagonistic to Vietnam and a Khmer Rouge propaganda film in English notes these tensions.

Is this film on YouTube or the Internet?
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 15 May 2016, 15:31
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Post 10 Mar 2018, 05:24
Khmer Rouge was supported by China even from civil war years. Vietnamese and Soviets didnt support them, USSR even recognized Lon Nol's government that took over by military coup in 1970 and ended Cambodia's neutralism under Sihanook. Then China persuaded Sihanook to make an alliance with the Khmer Rouge against Lon Nol. Sihanook's support gave great boost to Khmer Rouge who rose from 4.000 insurgents to 70.000 from 1970 to 1972 (Sihanook as former king and head of state had great popularity in Cambodia). What came next is known..
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