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Belarus bans Rammstein?

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Post 28 Feb 2010, 18:38
http://www.thisisbrandx.com/2010/02/ram ... larus.html

Wow. I don't listen to this type of music, but the song Amerika is pretty anti-US, don't see why they wouldn't want this type of music played.
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Post 28 Feb 2010, 21:27
It appears that talk of a 'ban' was circulated in the German press. This sensationalist discourse doesn't surprise me, although it's annoying.

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Rammstein promoter promises 'no porn or violence' at Belarus show

A Rammstein concert in Minsk, the capital of ex-Soviet Belarus, will feature no displays of pornography, violence or Nazi symbols, the show's organizer said on Tuesday.

Aleksander Obrozov was speaking the day after the head of the country's Council for Morals told RIA Novosti that the German rock band's show should be cancelled, saying that the group promoted "homosexuality, masochism and other perversions, as well as brutality and obscene language."

The group's latest album, which topped charts all over Europe, features a naked woman apparently being chopped up and eaten by a group of men clad in black.

"The decision to bring Rammstein to Minsk is a mistake that may cost us dearly," Nikolai Cherginets said.

He also added that while the show would be a "usual concert" for the band, for Belarus, where life is "based on the Christian and secular principles of respect for the unique personality of every person," a performance by the former East German nationals could lead to the "destruction of the Belarusian state."

However, after his representative had returned from a fact-finding mission to a Rammstein concert in Olso, Obrozov announced that they had witnessed nothing to suggest that the group was a threat to Belarus.

"Our representative attended a February 18 show in Oslo. He did not see any signs of cruelty, pornography or violence. There were also no Nazi symbols on stage," he said.

He also said that the band, who have been accused in the past of flirting with Nazi imagery, "understand very well that the fascists were guilty for the deaths of millions of people."

Over two million people were murdered by Nazi troops during their three-year occupation of Belarus.

Rammstein's current tour takes them to a number of eastern European cities, including Moscow, Riga, Vilnius, and Kiev.

MOSCOW, February 23 (RIA Novosti)


http://en.rian.ru/culture/20100223/157979967.html
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Post 01 Mar 2010, 04:33
i like Rammstein, good thing I don't live in Belarus.
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Post 01 Mar 2010, 07:20
I'll hate Belarus if they ban Rammstein.
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Post 01 Mar 2010, 07:27
Did you guys read Soviet78's post? It doesn't seem they want to actually ban them. They were only considering limits for stage performances. It all sounds like a misunderstanding to me.

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However, after his representative had returned from a fact-finding mission to a Rammstein concert in Olso, Obrozov announced that they had witnessed nothing to suggest that the group was a threat to Belarus.

"Our representative attended a February 18 show in Oslo. He did not see any signs of cruelty, pornography or violence. There were also no Nazi symbols on stage," he said.

He also said that the band, who have been accused in the past of flirting with Nazi imagery, "understand very well that the fascists were guilty for the deaths of millions of people."
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Post 03 Mar 2010, 13:10
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Did you guys read Soviet78's post? It doesn't seem they want to actually ban them. They were only considering limits for stage performances. It all sounds like a misunderstanding to me.


Why limit the stage performances of Rammstein? That's what makes them so great in the first place because if you see them performing "Bück dich" on stage, you'll see the outrageousness and hilarity of the band.
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Post 03 Mar 2010, 15:40
They wanted to limit the performance because they were worried about pro-Nazi imagery and lyrics. But after sending someone to a concert, I think it was realised that the band is as anti-Nazi as they are. They probably won't limit them at all now, at least, not to anywhere near the same degree. I would expect them not to welcome Rammstein back if they say anything anti-Belarus or anti-Communist on stage though.
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Post 03 Mar 2010, 16:52
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I would expect them not to welcome Rammstein back if they say anything anti-Belarus or anti-Communist on stage though.


They defend the GDR, so this is not to be expected.
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Post 03 Mar 2010, 17:56
Belarus is a socially conservative country. Their government's decisions when it comes to culture has nothing to do with their status as populist, market-socialist Soviet-nostalgics. Mabool, if you're going to hate Belarus for banning a rock group (which hasn't even actually happened), your support for the regime there seems based on very weak foundations in the first place. Also, when it comes to defending the GDR, different members of the band apparently have different views on the subject.
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Post 04 Mar 2010, 04:43
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Belarus is a socially conservative country. Their government's decisions when it comes to culture has nothing to do with their status as populist, market-socialist Soviet-nostalgics. Mabool, if you're going to hate Belarus for banning a rock group (which hasn't even actually happened), your support for the regime there seems based on very weak foundations in the first place. Also, when it comes to defending the GDR, different members of the band apparently have different views on the subject.


Can you link me to a source about Rammstein and the GDR? I've heard this before never seen a source other then word of mouth, though.

Thanks for the info as well. I assumed Belarus, as most Eastern nations, was very Conservative. Good to see Rammstein not being totally banned, for sure.
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Post 04 Mar 2010, 04:55
The band's keyboarder wrote:
But there was nothing to criticize about the GDR system. (Referring to his time in a punk band, and why his punk band was dissolved, since punk bands usually criticize "the system" and stuff.) That's because we liked the GDR, even when it still existed. We could do whatever we wanted, we weren't afraid of the future. I liked everything. The wall was not an issue either: There was a sign saying "If you try to cross it, you'll be shot." And if you cross it then, you know you can be shot. So you always had an alternative.

I had to decide, too: I didn't want to join the army, but you had to join, otherwise you could go to jail. Still, I decided against it. So I couldn't attend a university or become a doctor. That was a free decision for me. For me, freedom means that you can do what you want. And for me, that worked very well in the East. And now, because of capitalism, so much crap happens around me. Because so many people just do so much repulsive stuff, only to earn money. That pisses me off.

I miss the GDR a lot, even today.


source: own translation, http://einestages.spiegel.de/static/aut ... e_ddr.html
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Post 04 Mar 2010, 15:41
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But there was nothing to criticize about the GDR system


This is probably some mockery or something
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Post 04 Mar 2010, 15:47
No, it's not. Believe me, it doesn't sound like it at all in German.
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Post 04 Mar 2010, 16:38
Well,i understand that people loved DDR,there are many reasons for that,but saying that "there was nothing to criticize about the GDR system" is really...incomprehensible for me
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Post 04 Mar 2010, 16:44
I don't agree with the statement myself, but I can understand why he would say that. German's who are pro DDR have to deal with a lot of Anti-Communist propaganda about it. It quite frankly spouts a lot of bullshit. The need to counterbalance it with over the top statements becomes pretty strong.
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Post 04 Mar 2010, 16:48
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The need to counterbalance it with over the top statements becomes pretty strong.


Yeah. That's also why I kind of tend to make over the top statements on S-E about the GDR, because that has just become a reflex. Everybody is going on about how it was a prison and how it was sooooo much less democratic and how they were sooooo poor, and those lies just tend to piss you off so much that the need to go "frag YOU EVERYTHING WAS AWESOME", becomes really strong, although that's not true of course.
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Post 04 Mar 2010, 16:57
Yeah but,well,it's not an argument.DDR had many fault and if Ossies want to counter-balance the myths about their country they shouldn't exaggerate like that.
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Post 04 Mar 2010, 17:16
How is it different to you exagerating about Stalin? You make him sound like the most evil person out there. Objective analysis will tell you he had faults, but many positive aspects as well. What guys like this are doing with the DDR is putting attention onto the positive stuff, becuase it so often gets ignored. It's a natural reaction to those who focus only on the negative (and even outright lie).
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Post 04 Mar 2010, 17:25
Nope.That's bullshit.
I did not make him sound like "the most evil person out there".Just look my post when i said he did good things also.
I tend not to look people "black or white".But when i see someone blindly praising Stalin,it just makes me sic.k...
...just can't get over some of his aberrations,and if you can explain them,than i would be grateful.
DDR was...i know i'm gonna be "crucified" for this...a progressive country in many aspects,but still a "prison".
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Post 26 May 2010, 07:14
i know this is sort of necroposting, but apparently there was some simulated rape on one of his videoclip. so i guess that's why belarus bans rammstein, there are probably other pretty sick stuff going on in their clips.
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