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Quality of life and economy in Yugoslavia vs. Warsaw Pact

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Post 16 Jun 2009, 20:29
Which was better, the economies of the Warsaw Pact states or Yugoslavia? Also was the quality of life in an average Warsaw Pact state better than the quality of life in Yugoslavia? Any links with statistics would be appreciative.
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Post 16 Jun 2009, 20:53
it's impossible to simply compare the living standards between yugoslavia and warsaw pact. yugoslavia consisted of 6 republics and 2 autonomous zones, some of them had a reasonable living standard compared to some warsaw pact states while some on the other hand were on the same or even worse level than some warsaw pact countries. in yugoslavia there was always food in the stores and people could always afford to go to the vacation or across the border for shopping if they wanted something special they couldnt buy in yugoslavia. even today you can see how big the differences in average wage are FRY states and former pact states.
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Post 16 Jun 2009, 22:10
The fact that Yugoslavia didn't have to lock its citizens up like the Warsaw Pact did proves a lot.
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Post 16 Jun 2009, 23:19
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yugoslavia consisted of 6 republics and 2 autonomous zones

How big could the difference between the republics be? They're in the same geographical area, it's not like comparing Moscow and Okhotsk.
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Post 17 Jun 2009, 07:50
in short: very big. but if we go into details let's mention a few facts first; kosovo is the poorest country in europe at the moment and neither was it particularly rich before. slovenia was the most industrialised republic and we got a lot of immigrants from other republic who wanted to work here. macedonia was probably on the same level like bulgaria and should still be on a similar level. not to mention the ethnic groups. a better comparison would be russia and ossetia, not moscow and okhotsk.
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Post 17 Jun 2009, 08:02
Soviet192491 wrote:
yugoslavia consisted of 6 republics and 2 autonomous zones

How big could the difference between the republics be? They're in the same geographical area, it's not like comparing Moscow and Okhotsk.[/quote]
There were still regional differences within Yugoslavia despite the much smaller distances than USSR. Industrial development was uneven due to historical factors. Half the country was at one time under Austro-Hungarian rule and the other under Ottoman. Both played their role and left a legacy. Industry was mostly in the northern parts and agriculture in the south. Because of the differences in development and distribution ethnic and economic rivalries were able to be exploited by those wanting to break up the south slav nation. Slovenia etc. didn't want to subsidise Kosovo. The bright lights of the EU were calling. For some at least.
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Post 21 Dec 2009, 23:00
In short,most Yugoslavians had access to western consumer goods(radios,fridges,tv's etc):
Yugoslavian wares were much better than eastern ones,not to compare the food.
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Post 21 Dec 2009, 23:11
western products were available if you went across the border and even then you had to smuggle them.
also why were yugo products better than WP ones? some of them were yeah, but certainly not things like yugos or weapons. comparing food is quite stupid. each nation has its own specialities. russian cakes and tea was definitely superior to our deserts.
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Post 22 Dec 2009, 00:46
I'm talking about food variety and availability.
Yugoslavs had a better choice of food than Soviets.(Soviet children rarely had bubblegums,not to mention "legendary" bananas)
I remember still making fun of hungarian disgusting industrial food(cheeses,canned meat etc) which cannot be compared to YU ones.
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Post 22 Dec 2009, 00:58
how does the lack of bubblegum or bananas mean that the food wasnt variant?
of course hungarian industrial food is disgusting, the quality one gets exported to other countries, like pretty much else in that country. their cuisine however is quite the contrary.
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Post 22 Dec 2009, 02:31
The imperialist powers had the variety food and products because of imperialism and a labour aristocracy. The Warsaw Pact did not have colonies in the Third World to oppress.
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Post 22 Dec 2009, 15:59
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The imperialist powers had the variety food and products because of imperialism and a labour aristocracy. The Warsaw Pact did not have colonies in the Third World to oppress.


Maybe you forget that America mostly feeds itself-their beef and bread doesn't come from Africa of Latin America.Their farms provide them with majority of food they need,except exotic fruits,etc...
Also i will remind you about the agricultural potential of the Russian/Ukrainian step,which is the world's best "breadbasket".

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how does the lack of bubblegum or bananas mean that the food wasnt variant?
of course hungarian industrial food is disgusting, the quality one gets exported to other countries, like pretty much else in that country. their cuisine however is quite the contrary.


Moris i'm just trying to say that Yugoslavians had better food than most Warsaw pact nations.You should know that.While you were drinking coffee East Germans were drinking "moccafix",while you could buy everything you want in a shop nearby,Polish had to wait for meat etc...Examples are numerous.
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Post 22 Dec 2009, 21:48
we had access to a wider market and we were closer to the mediterranean to produce more exotic kind of foods. no state is capable of complete autarky, voluntary or unvoluntary.

also, hungary is still exporting food to other countries for small amounts of money. apparently it's not all about the system.
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zato je njeno ljudstvo pripravljeno umreti.

-Via Ofenziva

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