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Post 26 Mar 2009, 20:20
I've done some reading on Tito lately, and I'd like to discuss his model of socialism a little.

As I understand the matter, the main difference between the Soviet and Yugoslav economic models was the fact that there was no central planning in Yugoslavia - this makes Tito a revisionist, I guess. Now, how did they manage to distribute goods without central planning? Was there a "market" in the capitalist sense, i.e., was the objective of business the accumulation of capital?

Also, I'd like some details on the Soviet-Yugoslav split that occured in 1948. Why, exactly, did it happen?
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Post 26 Mar 2009, 20:42
The Yugoslav economy was market based. Workers cooperatives and small firms all competed in a market.
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Post 26 Mar 2009, 23:06
Split in 48: Ideological struggle in the communist movement after the resistance-struggles against fascism and nazism during WW2.

The Jugoslavs sided with imperialism -thus rejecting to help the greek partisans and communist fighting the british occupation during the so-called civil war after the nazis where thrown out.

I also would like more info on this subject - but the essence is ideological struggle for a revolutionary line for the working-class liberation, related to the building of socialism, theory of marxism-leninism etc etc.

Most important: the abolition of exploitation, private ownership of the means of production.
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Post 27 Mar 2009, 04:11
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Now, how did they manage to distribute goods without central planning? Was there a "market" in the capitalist sense, i.e., was the objective of business the accumulation of capital?


on the beginning land was distributed amongst the peasants and later the industrialisation took place and formation of first state owned companies but at all times there were planning's for everything and liberalisation attempts in the seventies were suppressed. to say there was no planning is foolish. although we did not follow strict policies of marxism-leninism people were taken care of by the state and no one was hungry and people were well off. food and resources were distributed carefully among all 6 republics to accommodate the people. because of that most of the people see communism as something positive today.

objective of business was of course accumulating capital, but mainly came from exports to the third world nations. prices were relatively low and anyone could afford to buy basic stuff like bread or butter. we even produced our own version of coca cola which is better than its american counterpart. at least in slovenia our companies produced were good products. same companies were privatised in 90ties and are now collapsing thanks to it
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Post 27 Mar 2009, 08:38
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we even produced our own version of coca cola which is better than its american counterpart.


Is it still made? If I ever travel through the former Yugoslavia, I'd love to try it.
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Post 27 Mar 2009, 16:35
Yes, its called "Cockta"
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Post 27 Mar 2009, 20:59
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Is it still made? If I ever travel through the former Yugoslavia, I'd love to try it.


i guess you could also order it via internet or if you really want it i could try and ship it to you.

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Yes, its called "Cockta"


i like mercator cola more though
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Post 28 Mar 2009, 10:02
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i guess you could also order it via internet or if you really want it i could try and ship it to you.


That's a lot of effort just for a drink
. Thanks for the offer though. I'd like to keep it as some extra motivation to travel over there. That and I'm not sure it would allowed through customs.
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Post 28 Mar 2009, 10:13
and coca-cola is the devil
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Post 28 Mar 2009, 10:24
it is. it always makes my stomach hurt like hell. cockta doesnt which also tells a lot about which one is healthier. and i cant stand those bubbles either.
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Post 28 Mar 2009, 13:21
Coke will dissolve meat and leave only bone. I've tried it. It makes me wonder what it does to peoples insides. Does cockta do that?
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Post 28 Mar 2009, 19:11
it does? i thought that was just a myth

i never tried it with cockta but it has softer taste and it wont cut down your throat while you drink it. i have sensitive stomach and it never gave me same problems like cola did.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cockta
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Post 28 Mar 2009, 20:46
Pop gives you stomache ulcers. But what kind of pop isnt carbonated?
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Post 29 Mar 2009, 11:22
The GDR had it's own cola, too.

If there was no planned economy, would you guys consider Yugoslavia a socialist state?
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Post 29 Mar 2009, 15:08
the only biggest diffirence between SU and YU was that we had no colectivised farms because there was absolutely no public interest to have them. CPY tried it's best to implant this reform but ultimately they failed and had to accept more liberal rules on that area to preserve socialism. factories and companies were ran similary like in the SU, although there were still th elites in the society, sadly. tito was still a communist, perhaps not the most orthodox one, but still a model to follow. his contibutions in angola, sri lanka, india and many other states speak for themselves. he was able to take an independent path between PRC and SU and was able to spend quite a lot of nation's budget on liberation movements in angola, palestine, south america and other areas of the world. when judging tito, do not judge him by his unorthodox marxism, but rather by what he helped to build with it.
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Post 05 Jan 2010, 00:51
Yeah,he supported those countries in Africa...Wasting money needed badly in YU...instead of leaving the SU to help Angolans(as they did since they had a huge military complex).
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Post 05 Jan 2010, 05:42
you cant really be a communist without participatig in communist movement. besides we werent starving now were we?
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zato je njeno ljudstvo pripravljeno umreti.

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Post 05 Jan 2010, 12:58
We weren't starving but there were some areas in YU not much better than Angola.Even if YU participated 10 times more with weapons and equipment,it would be a drop in the sea because SU had huge amounts of weapons ready for that purpose
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Post 05 Jan 2010, 15:36
YU helped to build factories as well. i would hardly call that a drop in the sea.
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zato je njeno ljudstvo pripravljeno umreti.

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Post 13 Jan 2010, 16:49
If you can find a source that describes YU's role in this aid,that would mean something
USSR most surely provided huge portion of that aid
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