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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 28 Jun 2004, 19:28
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Post 20 Mar 2007, 01:52
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Explain to me why it is possible to transport Jews from Europe/America to the M-E and create a nation, and not the other way around?


Do you mean besides the fact that the ancestral homelands of both the Jews and the Kurds are in the Middle East?

Well, do you think tens of millions of Middle Easterners would be able to survive in a unfamiliar frozen wasteland that lacks the infrastructure to sustain them?

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the map is represent Usa policy. ıt doesnt only idea of Lieutenant Colonel. map was showed at nato assembly turk commanders by usa commanders.


No. It is not American policy. The most obvious sign of this is that the map shows the partitioning of Iraq, which the US government is opposed to.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 17 Jan 2005, 07:15
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Post 20 Mar 2007, 12:08
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Do you mean besides the fact that the ancestral homelands of both the Jews and the Kurds are in the Middle East?


My great^5 grandfather was the Shahinshah of the Persian Empire. Does this mean that I can claim India, Pakistan, Iraq, Turkey, Syria, Azerbadjan, Bahrain, Kuwait, Egypt etc mine?

Because as you said, those lands belong to my ancestor.. right?


My point is, shit happened, the Kurds have no "obvious" right to any new nation at all. First of all, there has never ever been a Kurdistan, so there is no "it once was" justification for it. Furthermore, even IF there was a Kurdistan, do you realize the idiocy of using such an argument to divide 4 countries? If that was to happen, you'd need to divide every nation on the whole planet at least 2 times to create new sub-countries because of the ethnicities.


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No. It is not American policy. The most obvious sign of this is that the map shows the partitioning of Iraq, which the US government is opposed to.


I'm not going to argue about the map issue because it could be a plot just as much as it could be real. But either way you should be very careful when making such statements.
Remember that the US government wants "peace" in Iraq, yet it kicked off a civil war Shia vs Sunni.
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Post 20 Mar 2007, 18:15
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My great^5 grandfather was the Shahinshah of the Persian Empire. Does this mean that I can claim India, Pakistan, Iraq, Turkey, Syria, Azerbadjan, Bahrain, Kuwait, Egypt etc mine?


Imperial territory and ancestral homelands are not the same things. You know that.

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My point is, shit happened, the Kurds have no "obvious" right to any new nation at all.


I'm not saying whether I think they do or not. What I AM saying is that some of your arguments are less applicable than you seem to be sure they are.

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First of all, there has never ever been a Kurdistan, so there is no "it once was" justification for it.


No, but that's not a great arguement either. Every country once had that same status.

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Remember that the US government wants "peace" in Iraq, yet it kicked off a civil war Shia vs Sunni.


I'm not really inclined to believe that, considering how few members of our government even know there's a split in Islam, and even fewer understand the difference.
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Post 20 Mar 2007, 18:19
It's rather fascinating for you to actually believe the biggest imperialist nation on earth knows less about Islam than you do..
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 27 Jun 2006, 22:14
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Post 20 Mar 2007, 18:45
how i can blame the turks for cooperating with nazis?(my so-called ancestors?) germany of today is not the germany that was 60 years ago. I am ashamed that germany started the war and helped the turks back in 1940. I am also ashamed that germany fought on the albanian side in the bosnian war in 1990. So i think i can blame others who worked with nazi-germany. Because germanys face has changed.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 16 Nov 2005, 17:55
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Post 20 Mar 2007, 18:50
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It's rather fascinating for you to actually believe the biggest imperialist nation on earth knows less about Islam than you do..


Well, fontis, it's the truth. Most US congressmen and White House officials don't know the reason behind the difference between Sunni and Shia Islam.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 05 Mar 2007, 00:34
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Post 20 Mar 2007, 20:49
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US government divide in iraq . sunni and shia dont war. US government and its war mob are attacking at sunni, shia, turks, kurds.

why did map showed at nato assembly turk commanders by usa commanders?

Usa murdered 700.000.000 people, (shia,sunni,Turk,kurd) for divide in iraq.

Irag will be vietnam for US.
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Post 25 Jun 2007, 00:04
fascist US go on kill innocent humans at Middle East.

all middle east country ( Iran, Turkey, Syria, ıraq, Palestine) and Rusia, China, venezuela, cuba,
India must unite towards US and Europe Union.


murderer US piss off from Middle East !

yankee go home.
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Post 25 Jun 2007, 00:14
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Well, fontis, it's the truth. Most US congressmen and White House officials don't know the reason behind the difference between Sunni and Shia Islam.


Actually, they do. The foreign policy driven by the imperialists have always been well focused on certain elements. Do not underestimate your enemy. I'd rather overestimate them, than to underestimate.
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Post 25 Jun 2007, 00:16
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Fascist America's Felluce massacre

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America's killed and injure kids

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murderer US piss off from Middle East !

yankee go home
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Post 25 Jun 2007, 00:26
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