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Morocco ; My Contry ; My region

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 22 Oct 2006, 01:42
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Post 23 Oct 2006, 05:48
Hi ; I'm Moroccan ; may be you have hear nothing about Morocco i will be give some information about my contry and my Arabic region , and my religion ( Islam )

Today MOROCCO :

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Morocco Is a kingdom 14 km on south to spain ( strait of gibraltar ) algeria in the east atlantic ocean on the west
; we are about 30 million of people 4 million in the world (out of morocco majority in france italy spain belgium germany ) 98 % muslims and 70 000 chretian 7000 jewish (they was a lot of jews in morocco befor the creation of Israel ) ; the moroccan people speack arabic , berber ( a local languege for mor than 50 % of people ) ; spanish is usually speakin on the north of the contry ; French ( the scond important langueage ) moroccoo is is a froncophone contry
we was colonized by 2 nation ; Spain in the north and the south ( they still ocupate 2 maroccan city since 400 years ceuta and mellila ) ; moroccan resistance in the north spécialy on Rif had gived some lesson to CHE GUEVARA how to do a guerria ** ABD EL KRIM EL KHATABI** was the chef od this revolution in the north of morocco ( spain used for the first time chimical weappon )
Morocco had independence on 1955
the king have on his hand the real power
morocco don't have the dark past of human right and he don't have the white past ; they was what we called '' years of lead ''
people was crushed on 1981 people had make revolte and it ended ; by army on street ; (army is on hand of his majesty ) but this is just the past morocco now is going to democraty may not at the speed who a many want but we go to have it on day ; now morocco face his dark stain with the actual king mohamed VI the thing is on changing
king Hassan II was a shit king !! it was in conflict with poor people and he don't know that he will strong if the people will with him he chose to have poors like enmy not like suporter but ...
An interview with King Mohammed VI :
http://www.usa-morocco.org/timemagazineinterview.htm
there is many of socialist party the more important is U.S.F.P ( union socialist des forces populaire / socialist union of popular force ) this party have a super history but now it's like an old tree (they frag socialism ) they are more liberalist than liberalist ! ( exemple : agreement of free exchange with the USA ; EU ; China )

there is one islamic party : PJD ( partie de justice et de devlopement / party of jutice and devlopement ) they are not terrorist ; they don't lie to people as the rest make

some number about morocco :

3500 km of caost ( 350 on mediteranian sea the rest in the atlantic ocean ) in morocco there is mont , Hill forest ...
( its not what u think morocco is not
desert ! ) we don't have petrole like the other arabic contries so we must buy it ( expecevely ) we have phosphate 75 % of the reserve of the world is in morocco !! agriculture ... fish ... 40 Milliard $ as PIB 47 % analphabet 17 % without work i forget the number of poor people but i think it's about 20-17 %

'' Morocco is the land of the sunset ''

i would speak about Guevara of morocco ; EL MEHDI BEN BARKA :
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Ben Barka was born in Rabat to a civil servant and became the first Moroccan to get a degree in mathematics in an official French school in 1950. He became a prominent member of the Moroccan opposition in the nationalist Istiqlal party, but broke off after clashes with conservative opponents in 1959 to found the left-wing National Union of Popular Forces (UNFP).

In 1962, Ben Barka was accused of plotting against king Hassan II and exiled. After supporting Algeria against a Moroccan invasion in 1963, he was sentenced to death in absentia.

On October 29, 1965 Mehdi Ben Barka was "disappeared" in Paris by French police officers and never seen again. In 1975, Time Magazine published an article stating that three Moroccan agents were responsible for the death of Barka, one of them former Interior Minister Mohammed Oufkir. Speculation persists as to CIA involvement. French intelligence agents and Israeli Mossad were also implicated in the Time article.

The exile and global political significance
Ben Barka is exiled in 1963, becoming a “committed-voyageur of the revolution”, according to the expression of the historian Jean Lacouture. He leaves initially for Algiers, where he meets Che Guevara, Amilcar Cabral and Malcolm X. From there he goes to Cairo, Rome, Geneva and La Havana, trying to federate the revolutionary movements of the Third World for Tricontinentale having to be held in January 1966 in La Havana and where he affirmed in a press conference, “the two currents of the world revolution will be represented there: the current emerged with the October Revolution and that of the national liberation revolution”.

As the leader of the Tricontinental Conference, Ben Barka was a major figure in the Third World movement and supported revolutionary anti-colonial action in various states, provoking the anger of the United States and France. Just before his death, he was preparing first meeting of the Tricontinental, scheduled to take place in Havana, Cuba - the OSPAAAL (Spanish for "Organization for Solidarity with the People of Africa, Asia and Latin America") was founded at this occasion.

Chairing the preparatory commission, he defines the objectives; assistance with the movements of liberation, support for Cuba subjected to the United States embargo, the liquidation of the foreign military bases and apartheid in South Africa. For the historian Rene Galissot, “it is in this revolutionary dash of Tricontinentale that the major cause of the removal and the assassination of Ben Barka was”.

Ben Barka remains a venerated figure in the Moroccan left-wing opposition, and as the exact circumstances of his disappearance and presumed death remain unknown, is still a subject of heated debate.

*Theories on the disappearance of Ben Barka
French trial
In a 1967 trial in France, two French officers were sent to prison for their role in the kidnapping. However, the judge ruled that the main guilty party was Moroccan interior minister Mohamed Oufkir. Georges Figon, a witness with a criminal background, who had testified earlier that Oufkir stabbed Ben Barka to death, was later found dead, officially a suicide.

Ahmed Boukhari
A former member of the Moroccan secret service, Ahmed Boukhari claimed in 2001 that Ben Barka had died during interrogation in a villa south of Paris. He said Ben Barka's body was then taken back to Morocco and destroyed in a vat of acid. Furthermore, he declared that this vat of acid, whose plans were reproduced by the newspapers, had been constructed under instructions from the CIA agent "Colonel Martin", who had learnt this technique to make disappear corpses during his appointment in the Shah's Iran in the 1950s. Henceforth, a pattern of "disappearances", starting from Iran, passing by Morocco in the 1960-70s, and continuing on into South America's dirty wars during the 1970s-80s was discovered. (See link below)

Ali Bourequat
Moroccan-French dissident and former Tazmamart prisoner of conscience Ali Bourequat claims in his book, In the Moroccan King's Secret Garden, to have met a former Moroccan secret agent in a prison near Rabat in 1973-74. The man, Dubail, recounted how he and some colleagues, led by Col. Oufkir and Ahmed Dlimi, had murdered Ben Barka in Paris on the orders of king Hassan, with the assistance of the French secret services.

The body was then encapsulated in cement and buried outside Paris, but his head brought by Oufkir to Morocco in a suitcase, so the king could personally confirm Ben Barka's death. Thereafter it was buried on the very same prison grounds where Dubail and Bourequat were held.

CIA documents
In 1976, the United States government, due to requests made through the Freedom of Information Act, acknowledged that the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) was in possession of some 1,800 documents involving Ben Barka, but the documents were not released.
French documents
Some secret French documents on the affair were made public in 2001, causing political uproar. Defence minister Michèle Alliot-Marie had agreed in 2004 to follow the recommendations of a national defence committee and release the 73 additional classifed documents on the case. However, the son of Mehdi Ben Barka was outraged at what he called a "pseudo-release of files", insisting that information had been withheld which could have implicated the French secret services (SDECE), and possibly the CIA and the Mossad, as well as the ultimate responsibility of the king Hassan II.


Well Now i would speak about one man king Hassan II may be he was a shit king but ...

King Hassan II (July 9, 1929-July 23, 1999) (Arabic: الحسن الثاني) was King of Morocco from 1961 to his death. He was the eldest son of Mohammed V, Sultan, then King of Morocco and his wife Lalla Abla bint Tahar, whom he married in 1926.

King Hassan was educated at the Imperial College at Rabat and earned a law degree from the University of Bordeaux.

He was exiled to Corsica by French authorities on 20 August 1953, along with his father Sultan Mohammed V. They were transferred to Madagascar in January 1954. Prince Hassan acted as his father's political advisor during the exile. Mohammed V and his family returned from exile on 16 November 1955.

Prince Hassan participated in the February 1956 negotiations for Morocco's independence with his father, who later appointed him Chief of Staff of the Royal Armed Forces in April 1956. In the unrest of the same year, he led army contingents battling Berbers in the mountains of the Rif. Mohammed V changed the title of the Moroccan sovereign from Sultan to King in 1957. Hassan was proclaimed Crown Prince on 19 July 1957, and became King on 3 March 1961, after his father's death.

His conservative rule strengthened the Alaouite Dynasty, but his refusal to share power with the political parties, instead relying on the makhzen elite, provoked political protest. In 1965, while king Hassan did not abolish the mechanisms of parliamentary democracy, he dissolved parliament and ruled directly. When elections were eventually held, they were blatantly rigged in favor of loyal parties. This caused severe discontent among the opposition, and protest demonstrations and riots challenged the king's rule.

In the early seventies, the mounting discontent spread to the army, and King Hassan survived two assassination attempts. The first, in 1971, was organized by army cadets. In 1972, during a second attempt at a coup d'état, jets from the Royal Moroccan Air Force fired upon the King's Boeing 727 while he was traveling back to Rabat, but did not bring it down.

The rigidly dictatorial period from the 60s to the early 90s was labelled by the Moroccan opposition as the "years of lead", and saw many hundreds of dissidents shot, jailed, exiled or forcibly disappeared. Although king Hassan II had restored many parliamentary functions by the early nineties and released hundreds of political prisoners in 1991, and allowed the Alternance, where the opposition assumed power, for the first time in the Arab World, the "years of lead" ended definitely only with the taking of the throne by his son Mohammed VI in 1999
Foreign policy
King Hassan II served as a back channel between the Arab world and Israel, facilitating early negotiations between them. During his reign, Morocco gained control over Western Sahara after the "Green March" in 1975, an issue which was to dominate Moroccan foreign policy until this day. Relations with Algeria deteriorated sharply due to this and due to the 1963 Sand war. In 1984, Morocco withdrew from the Organisation of African Unity because of its admission of the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic, unilaterally proclaimed by the Polisario Front.


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Casablanda my town :
city of 4 - 5 million of people economic heart of the contry ; port , 12 km of the coast ; there are poor and very rich ! villa and shantytown
this is the down town :
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this is the old city :
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RABAT ( the capital ) :
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the mosoleum of Mohamed V and Hassan II ( it's here where the king are placed whend they died
Nb : Dominique de Villepin(born 14 November 1953), Current Prime Minister of France
Marakech :
this is El Menara it's a bigg town the tourist come here ...
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Ouzode ( not famous but beautyfull ) :
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Tangier ( across 14 Km to spain (europe ) :
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For more information please look : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morocco
guys my search is not very good ( it's poor
) but if you want to know someting talk it to me


just one thing
you have many wrong idea you think that we are ( arabic or muslim ) that we are punk or we are as in the film and you forget that we are a normal people
there are who listen to rock anothr to hip hop another who are comunist or socialit another lebrilist another islamist ( but not terrorist ) .....

Finaly :
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 19 Aug 2006, 17:42
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Post 23 Oct 2006, 06:06
The socialist union-- am I to believe that they are the center left variety of politics?

I also have taken notice the new PM was appointed by the Sultan. is this a common practice?

lastly would you say that leftist feelings are on the rise or decline in morocco over the last 10 years or so?
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 22 Oct 2006, 01:42
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Post 23 Oct 2006, 06:24
The socialist union-- am I to believe that they are the centre left variety of politics?
i don't understaind this can talk it in french or explain it ?
I also have taken notice the new PM was appointed by the Sultan. is this a common practice?
Yes , the prime minester is nominate by the king from the party who have the majority ( sutan is a dead expression )
lastly would you say that leftist feelings are on the rise or decline in morocco over the last 10 years or so?
look on the last election the USFP ( UFP ) was the first but i thing the islamique party ( PJD ) are groing so the Leftist are in critical position ; Pjd are groing fastly and i confirmed for you if the election are clean ; surly you will have Pjd on the top !
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 19 Aug 2006, 17:42
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Post 23 Oct 2006, 13:49
Let me rephrase my question please:

are the 'socialist' parties professing marxist ideas in morocco or are they like the european Democratic socialists who are capitalist parties?

how do the people feel about the fact that the king selects his PM?

the fact that the people cannot elect their #1 leader makes the constitutional monarchy seem a bit misleading. from an outsider, that lends to corruption. the people have no say in who leads them just like in a dictatorship or in an absolute monarchy.
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Post 19 Feb 2007, 13:52
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the fact that the people cannot elect their #1 leader makes the constitutional monarchy seem a bit misleading. from an outsider, that lends to corruption. the people have no say in who leads them just like in a dictatorship or in an absolute monarchy.


At times, though, it can be helpful. SUch as the removal of Thaksin Shinawatra in Thailand. I dunno, in my view, single rule in any form (though SOcialism is ideal) is better than democracy run thru party politics.

I'm not a big fan of monarchies either, but at least there's a physical chance that the monarch would be forward thinking. This is not possible in party politics, as the main focus is generating enough $$$ for the next election campaign. In this case, most "open minded" politicians who are pro-people find it impossible to chart a political career. The focus becomes: How much is the opponent spending for the next political campaign? How much do we need to match him? How much money do we need to woo that guy who can secure us 10,000 votes? How much money should we spend on expanding our alliences? How much do we need to win over those district MPs?

The questions all focus around money. In a single rule system, there is a chance that the ruler (whatever form he takes) is forward thinking. Of course, if you're ruled by people like King Fahed, it will blow, no denying of that.

I know, a single proletariat party is the ideal solution, but the king is usually a better choice than party politics. And once you have party politics, it's extremely hard to change the system.

L'Arabe:

Do you have any pics of Marakkesh?
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Post 19 Feb 2007, 17:22
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At times, though, it can be helpful. SUch as the removal of Thaksin Shinawatra in Thailand. I dunno, in my view, single rule in any form (though SOcialism is ideal) is better than democracy run thru party politics.


Thailand was the removal of one rather than the appointing of one.

so I see just a bit of difference there.

Singular rule is better in my opinion as well, as it is more efficient for sweeping change. provided that power isn't hereditary,like in North Korea it can refrain from being a monarchy.
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