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Post 26 Jan 2010, 22:24
You guys have the same native language, right?
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Post 26 Jan 2010, 22:35
nope.
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Post 28 Jan 2010, 23:28
Hey, Zmago!


Check this video about my previous statements. I am sorry now we didn't have any decent weapons to kick this drunken asses in the very first days. Shit in Bosnia that came later would not happen at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us6dgu_b ... re=related

But what we can do now? Try to live on normally, try to forgive, but we would not forget. Thats why I cant stand someone false and biased history on this matter.
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Post 29 Jan 2010, 00:00
zdravo ante! dont worry, i left SNS just last year.

nice video. i'm sure serb tv made similar propaganda about your side.

no one said that we shouldnt live in peace, should we? but to do that we must all recognize our mistakes and correct our mistakes. while serbia payed for their folly a hundred times over, there are still others who did not.
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Post 29 Jan 2010, 11:22
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zdravo ante! dont worry, i left SNS just last year.

nice video. i'm sure serb tv made similar propaganda about your side.

no one said that we shouldnt live in peace, should we? but to do that we must all recognize our mistakes and correct our mistakes. while serbia payed for their folly a hundred times over, there are still others who did not.


First of all, this what I'm posting here is not croatian propaganda, its serbian national TV broadcast about themselves!!

And serbian propaganda was always funny, if not tragic. Par example, kamikaze from Korea (sic!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVEhBE8k ... re=related

or Kurds!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rizd_SH ... re=related

Obviously, they had to imagine some enemy to justify their destruction - because they didn't have any real opposition.

My main goal here is to underline that the war was forced on Croatia in 1991.,as we were attacked with armed forces from other state, which is the agression.
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Post 29 Jan 2010, 13:31
yeah, those videos are funny. i dont really believe they were really serious at all with that shirt. also, there were foreign combatants on all sides. still one or two such videos dont change the reason why serbs were there. we are interested in native serbs there. tuđman was a fascist who built a memorial to people like mile budak and glorified ustaša. of course serbs were paranoid and thats why they believed they were fighting nazis. well, to a degree they were.

and for gods sakes, i never said that croatia should be wiped of the maps. i doubt that it would hurt croatia that much if they would allow autonomous serb zone there. more importantly, it should finally be denazified.
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Post 29 Jan 2010, 16:39
I finally agree with one of your posts.


Speaking of autonomus region, you're right. Nothing serious would happen, but reasonable thinking was far from Tudjman and his associates in these days. I agree that right hawks from croatian emigration wanted that serbian "problem" solved like it was. It was Nazi-like, it was Ustasha-ikonography they used, it was very bad for our country and we feel the consequences even today.

But one thing must be clear: half of the Croats NEVER supported and agreed on Tudjmans ideas, but were still very active in defence of our land. More than 70% of Croats today will tell you that Tudjman was great leader in 1990- and 1991., when it was really needed. But then turned in just another autocratic war criminal with his devastating politics in Bosnia, and he supported openly "200 rich families" - meaning direct war profiteers wich destroyed our lands economy more than all serbian bombs combined.
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Post 29 Jan 2010, 17:01
Tuđman was a "communist" general,not to forget it...
Not too surprising as such assholes could only have hailed from Tito's JNA elite-the extension of his cock that banged over our heads(first by sucking the federal budget,and than thanking us with bombs back in '91,while the Serbs cheered over it )
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Post 29 Jan 2010, 17:20
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Speaking of autonomus region, you're right. Nothing serious would happen, but reasonable thinking was far from Tudjman and his associates in these days. I agree that right hawks from croatian emigration wanted that serbian "problem" solved like it was. It was Nazi-like, it was Ustasha-ikonography they used, it was very bad for our country and we feel the consequences even today.


that's a very refreshing thing to hear. you see, this happens if you dont denazify country like you should, people will turn chauvinistic and racist. thats why its important to elect a party, condemn ustaša regime and allow independence (or at least autonomy) referendums to be held along the borders, especially in the area of vukovar and istra. after that we all reconcile, say sorry and behave like neighbours should and start countering italian imperialism jointly instead of pacting around with people like haider.

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But one thing must be clear: half of the Croats NEVER supported and agreed on Tudjmans ideas,


i'm a person who prefers actions over words. tuđman must be publicly condemn and his legacy must be shattered. after that i'll believe that croatian people are ready for a real change.

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Tuđman was a "communist" general,not to forget it...


mesić was a communist premier as well before he began his U turn.

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Not too surprising as such assholes could only have hailed from Tito's JNA elite-the extension of his cock that banged over our heads(first by sucking the federal budget,and than thanking us with bombs back in '91,while the Serbs cheered over it )


funny, the serbs say the same thing. i think it's obvious that there was more than enough corruption around the entire federation.
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Post 29 Jan 2010, 20:26
Though i don't remember Serbs being pounded by JNA....
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Post 29 Jan 2010, 20:53
serbs were pounded by former local branches of JNA.
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serbs were pounded by former local branches of JNA.


Please explain.I don't get it.JNA broke up into Serbian army-that is,"army of the Republic of Yugoslavia" and Army of so called "Republic of srpska krajina"
HV wasn't a former local branch of JNA,because all Croatia's TO weaponry had been taken from our warehouses,and it's (mostly serbian)high-ranked cadre went back to Serbia.
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Post 30 Jan 2010, 00:27
all TOs were formed after invasion of czechoslovakia as a response to possible soviet invasion. how this couldnt be a branch of JNA i dont know.

if i quote wiki;
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Poveljevalni jezik v TO je bil slovenski, sama TO pa je bila organizirana v obliki odredov kot pomožna udarna sila JLA. Po letu 1990 je bila TO organizirana kot samostojna vojska, kar se je dokončno oblikovalo v mesecih pred osamosvojitvijo v skladu z ustavo RS, ki je bila sprejeta že leta 1990.


http://sl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teritorial ... _Slovenije
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Post 30 Jan 2010, 10:50
Nope.
The Territorial Defense Forces (TO)[a] were a separate part of the armed forces of the former Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. The forces acted as a Home Guard which roughly corresponded to a military reserve force or an official governmental paramilitary. Each of the Yugoslav constituent republics had its own Territorial Defense military formations, while the regular army for the whole Federation was the Yugoslav People's Army (JNA), which also maintained its own reserve forces.
The TO was helped by the fact that most of its citizen-soldiers were one-time JNA conscripts who had completed their term of compulsory military service. But TO recruitment was somewhat limited by the JNA desire to include as many recently released conscripts as possible in its own military reserve. Other sources of TO manpower lacked prior military service and required extensive basic training.
The TO organisation was highly decentralized and independent. TO units were organized and funded by the governments in each of the Yugoslav constituent republics: Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia and Slovenia, as well as in each of its subunits Vojvodina and Kosovo.

Your statement 'bout "Those former branches of "jna" that pounded Serbs" doesn't make sense.Croatian TO turned into ZNG,than HV,and defended Croatia against "federal" (read:chetnik) JNA aggression
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Post 30 Jan 2010, 12:34
I would like that we stop using terms chetnik or ustasha for the recent war on ex-Yugo territory. Iconography used by primitive people is not official history. Those two terms are from WW2, and they should stay there.
Better say "paramilitary forces" or "- organizations", led by local warlords, most of them convicted criminals today or dead. On both sides in Croatia.
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Post 30 Jan 2010, 13:19
While there has been no major revival of ustaše movement(despite Moris's insinuations) in Croatia during the war,chetniks indeed have been "raised from the dead" in Serbia.
The creatures in Vukovar wearing chetnik outfits,singing chetnik songs,carrying chetnik flags(for king and homeland,lol) is the most distinct proof of my claim.Serbian paramilitaries openly declared themselves as "chetniks".
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Post 30 Jan 2010, 14:57
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Your statement 'bout "Those former branches of "jna" that pounded Serbs" doesn't make sense.Croatian TO turned into ZNG,than HV,and defended Croatia against "federal" (read:chetnik) JNA aggression


it was still organized by JNA, it had JNA veterans in it, it had access to JNA armoury and served as an auxiliary force to JNA. only after 1990 it truly became independent.

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While there has been no major revival of ustaše movement(despite Moris's insinuations) in Croatia during the war,chetniks indeed have been "raised from the dead" in Serbia.


HOS, erecting a statue to mile budak, attempts to erect a statue to pavelič, ustaša symbolism used by your soldiers, ustaša graffities, very open cooperative agreement with germany,...

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The creatures in Vukovar wearing chetnik outfits,singing chetnik songs,carrying chetnik flags(for king and homeland,lol) is the most distinct proof of my claim.Serbian paramilitaries openly declared themselves as "chetniks".


both sides looked back into the past for some sort of inspiration. theirs was less nazi oriented.
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Post 30 Jan 2010, 17:54
Admit it Moris,your real name is Zmago!
Because not many people can be so persistent in their ignorance or twisting of history with false claims.

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It was still organized by JNA, it had JNA veterans in it, it had access to JNA armoury and served as an auxiliary force to JNA. only after 1990 it truly became independent.


Yes,but it served for a totally different purpose,on a different ideological basis.

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HOS, erecting a statue to mile budak, attempts to erect a statue to pavelič, ustaša symbolism used by your soldiers, ustaša graffities, very open cooperative agreement with germany,...


All of this cannot be compared to chetniks OPENLY supported by "JNA" and serbian retarded propaganda which celebrated them as heroes while they were destroying UNESCO-protected Dubrovnik,just one example.
HOS was a paramilitary unit,it didn't have much in common with regular army.And you mention 2 monuments advocated by INDIVIDUALS(one never built!) as an indication of Croatia's "ustashism"?
And statement about open cooperative agreement with Germany is really retarded,on the track track of serbian thesis abour Vatican and Berlin's conspiracy against "serbdom".While it may sound tempting to accept this as an evidence,unfortunately,when you turn you brain on,you realize that Germany was,and still is,the strongest advocate of antifaschism,that is,it went through a catharsis which resulted in Germany being the most rigid about (neo)nazism,unlike SLO(amont others),HUN,SVK etc...
And,can you give me the evidence of "ustaša symbolism used by your soldiers"? This would have meant that HV soldiers mostly wore U insignia,which can't be further from the truth.Find me ONE HV emblem with U on it.Give me pictures if you can.
My father wore the šahovnica on his cap,without the "U",just like 99% of all other croatian soldiers.
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Post 30 Jan 2010, 19:00
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Admit it Moris,your real name is Zmago!


zmago's a nice name. a slovenized version of victor. sadly, that is not my name


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Because not many people can be so persistent in their ignorance or twisting of history with false claims.


you know what they say, fire with fire.

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Yes,but it served for a totally different purpose,on a different ideological basis.


but yes, non the less it was.

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All of this cannot be compared to chetniks OPENLY supported by "JNA" and serbian retarded propaganda which celebrated them as heroes while they were destroying UNESCO-protected Dubrovnik,just one example.


and here we are again at UNESCO protected dubrovnik. what about UNESCO protected mostar?

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HOS was a paramilitary unit,it didn't have much in common with regular army.And you mention 2 monuments advocated by INDIVIDUALS(one never built!) as an indication of Croatia's "ustashism"?


HOS was allowed to operate as a militia and political party. the hell it didnt had much to do with anything. wow, one was never built! luckily i might add. how can this possibly not be indication of ustashism?

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And statement about open cooperative agreement with Germany is really retarded,on the track track of serbian thesis abour Vatican and Berlin's conspiracy against "serbdom".While it may sound tempting to accept this as an evidence,unfortunately,when you turn you brain on,you realize that Germany was,and still is,the strongest advocate of antifaschism,that is,it went through a catharsis which resulted in Germany being the most rigid about (neo)nazism,unlike SLO(amont others),HUN,SVK etc...


vatican was backing ustaša genocide, i'd hardly call that conspiracy. now about germany. everyone knows that for the last 60 years germany was backing croatia. perhaps stating that 3rd reich was backing croatia would be overreacting, but you can see certain parallels here.

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And,can you give me the evidence of "ustaša symbolism used by your soldiers"? This would have meant that HV soldiers mostly wore U insignia,which can't be further from the truth.Find me ONE HV emblem with U on it.Give me pictures if you can.


like i said, there were ustaša chants, graffities,... i never said they wore them. well, perhaps separately, but that's another story. HOS is another story though.
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