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Post 12 Nov 2006, 22:33
to tell the truth, i would always be in favour of an all-slavic union. we could invite hungary and finland in it too. not like yugoslavia or soviet union, but more like a confederation of united slavic nations
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Post 06 Jan 2007, 05:29
What nationality was he? How do most people from the former SFRY feel about communism today? How is the transition to a stateless society supposed to take place? Were there prices set by the governemnt like in the USSR? How was housing provided? Was alot of propaganda needed? (These questions are more in relation to the first page of this thread since that's the page I read)
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Post 06 Jan 2007, 07:15
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we could invite hungary and finland in it too.

Hungary and Finland are not Slavic nations; Finns and Hungarians have Finno-Ugric, and not Indo-European origins. The birthplace of the Finno-Ugric languages cannot be located with any certainty. Central and northern Russia west of the Ural mountains is generally assumed to be the most likely spot, perhaps around the 3rd millennium BC. This is suggested by the high intralinguistic family diversity around the middle Volga River where three highly distinct branches of the Uralic family, Mordvin, Mari and Permic are located. Also reconstructed plant and animal names are consistent with this localisation. Reconstructed Proto-Finno-Ugric contains Indo-Iranian loan-words, notably the words for "honey bee" and "honey", probably from the time when Indo-Iranian tribes (such as Scythians and Sarmatians) inhabited the Eurasian steppes.

There is evidence that before the arrival of the Slavic speaking tribes to the area of modern-day Russia, speakers of Finno-Ugric languages may have been scattered across the whole area between the Urals and the Baltic Sea. This was the distribution of the Comb Ceramic Culture, a stone age culture which appears to have corresponded to the Finno-Ugric speaking populations, c. 4200 BC–c. 2000 BC.

There have been attempts to relate the Finno-Ugric languages to the Indo-European languages, but there are not enough similarities to link them with any certainty. Similar inflectional endings exist, but whether or not they are genetically related is not resolvable. A common lexicon not attestable to borrowing is thin, and no sound laws are established.
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What nationality was he? How do most people from the former SFRY feel about communism today? How is the transition to a stateless society supposed to take place? Were there prices set by the governemnt like in the USSR? How was housing provided? Was alot of propaganda needed? (These questions are more in relation to the first page of this thread since that's the page I read)


who?
the disposition about communism is mixed. most of people support tito, but that doesnt neceserally mean that they are communists. there are no communist parties present in any parlament in any former republic.
there never were any attempts to create a stateless society, but it was classless all were equal before the law.
i dont really know how prices were set, but they were related by the goverment.
houseing was very well provided, there were no people on the street and lived a quality life. in the industrial areas there were mostly apartment blocks for workers, but houses in the city were also common, especally in the suburbs. here many people live in houses rather than blocks in the city. there was very little propaganda, aside from newspapers. there was not much need for it too, people trusted the system and followed the principles of brotherhood and unity (at least while tito was alive).

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Hungary and Finland are not Slavic nations;


i'm more than aware of that, that's why i said we could invite them in our union if they'd wish so.
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Post 15 Jan 2007, 17:17
Propaganda was strong only in the Army, because of its strong indoctrinal role for young enlisted men. I think that in late '80 only the Army staff believed in Yugoslavia as still possible option in the future. Propaganda was purposely stronger in Bosnia and Hezegowina than in other states because of its multiethnic complexity.
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Post 15 Jan 2007, 17:57
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We had a great living standard, there even was a feeling of superiority to the rest of the eastern european country's, when Polish and Czechoslowakian people came to Yugoslavia for vacation we laughed at them because they were so poor dressed

No doubt. Yugoslavia was a nationally chauvinistic state and after the cloak of socialism was removed after Tito's death the world saw his legacy unfold. Titoism was a fire extinguisher supported by the imperialist powers to quell the flames of revolution in the Balkans.

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AND it's unfair to compare DDR citizens abandoning the country to Yugoslavs for the simple reason that the DDR was a fraction of a national entity. Had Yugoslavia been sliced in half with partitions of Ljubljana, Zagreb, Sarajevo, Belgrade, and Skopje there would have been plenty of immigration to the capitalist sectors by professionals. Tito was just a tinpot dictator who never gave the capitalists any trouble - the father of Eurocommunism.
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Post 15 Jan 2007, 19:38
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No doubt. Yugoslavia was a nationally chauvinistic state and after the cloak of socialism was removed after Tito's death the world saw his legacy unfold. Titoism was a fire extinguisher supported by the imperialist powers to quell the flames of revolution in the Balkans.


true socialism was removed and replaced with the cloak socialism, that collapsed 10 years later.
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Tito was just a tinpot dictator who never gave the capitalists any trouble - the father of Eurocommunism.


he didnt really invade neighbouring NATO countries, but he trained palestinian and angolan troops to fight the imperialist-capitalist forces, so dont say he didnt give any trouble to the capitalists. he was a true communist and he was very popular and successfully managed economy.
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Post 15 Jan 2007, 19:43
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but he trained palestinian and angolan troops to fight the imperialist-capitalist forces

That is interesting. Please tell more about this or provide links/book titles.
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Post 15 Jan 2007, 19:55
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That is interesting. Please tell more about this or provide links/book titles.


hm, as much as i would like to provide the links it would be a little hard, since all of it is either video material from our TV or in slovene language, it is possible that there are some english sources on google though


well, this is what i know. when there was civil war in angola MPLA asked tito for help against the nationalist forces and he send voulenteers, material and instructors and after the war was won, he sent new marxist-leninist goverment material to build up their infrastructure. there were many student exchanges too, it's not so unusual to find angolians who speak slovene


i dont know much about palestine, but i know that PLO militia and it's operatives were trained in yugoslavia, they probably received funding too.

apart from that we founded other anti-imperialst goverments, like nasser's in egypt and granada and mozambique (most of countries we supported were former colonial states that later joined our non-alliged movement, but we sent help to other states, like vietnam and korea too)
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Post 15 Jan 2007, 20:03
Thanks Moris, that is something I'll look into. My opinion of Tito has increased somewhat.
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Post 15 Jan 2007, 20:07
no problem glad to help
if i find any sources i'll post them on this forum.
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Post 15 Jan 2007, 21:21
Yugoslavia sold and developed weapons (attack aircrafts) to Libia, and Colonel Gadafi was a big friend!
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Post 15 Jan 2007, 21:45
oh, completly forgot about him. didnt he forgot to take the camels he brought with him to yugoslavia and it was distribuet to zoo's across the federation?
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Post 15 Jan 2007, 22:06
Yeah, and when he arrived to visit in Zagreb he refused to sleep in a hotel or in a palace, but put his tents on the grass in front of Tito's residence
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Post 15 Jan 2007, 23:13
yes, i remember that one. and he had his bodyguard composed only of women with him too. he was a funny guy for a president
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Post 16 Jan 2007, 05:49
Qadafi still has a bodyguard composed of women, all armed to the teeth.
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Post 20 Jan 2007, 00:45
Yugoslavia could re-unite again, it's absolutely not impossible because the huge similarity in culture and langauge, only problem are hard-line nationalists, the EU should encourage an re-unification in the future, because it's much more efficient en the whole region will be stronger as one in stead of being split in tiny meaningless country's
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I would not agree with you. Yugoslavia of any kind is past - once and for all. And I don't think I'm a nationalist of any kind. OK, I participated in the conflict, and will always take one side, but spirit of the nations are all but "yugoslav" now.
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Post 06 Feb 2007, 01:19
I would shurely be happy if yugoslavia would reunite again.
Our countries in whole history were truly free only as SFRY.
But that is for now unfortunately imposible. Not due to hard-line nacionalists. They are idiots and bad violent people and everyone will see that with time.
The problem are common nacionalists, church, political propaganda, our corrupted proamerican goverments, stupidness and naivness of our nations,presence of american controll...

And if you were thinking of socialist Yugoslavia EU certanly wouldn`t support that.
In fact they wouldn`t support any Yugoslavia. They want us weak and poor so they can expand their capitalism and use our cheap working force.
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Post 07 May 2007, 13:09
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Yugoslavia sold and developed weapons (attack aircrafts) to Libia, and Colonel Gadafi was a big friend!


Wasn't he also given an officer's rank in the JNA?

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The problem are common nacionalists, church, political propaganda, our corrupted proamerican goverments, stupidness and naivness of our nations,presence of american controll...


Welcome to the club


That's about the same problem in my country- and probably all ex- Socialist / ex-semi Socialist systems.


But you guys in former SFRY are lucky in sense that the academic community in your locales (at least the majority) considers Tito a positive influence. Here in India, most of the academic community is seduced by the corporate media & call Nehru (our own "Tito") a failure


Either ways, here are some memorable pictures of Tito's foreign policy (formation of NAM):

http://www.biocrawler.com/w/images/thum ... izjava.jpg

http://www.sasma.szd.si/test4/us/poc/br ... s/gfbi.jpg

http://www.indianembassy.org/gallery/fp/1960/nehru(nam).jpg

http://www.agora.org.mk/images/tekstovi ... Indira.jpg

http://de.geocities.com/opiumzanarod/sl ... /nehru.jpg

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2002/595/_matt3.jpg

Tito was a true friend of the developing world. His influence will missed in the Asian Subcontinent for sure. I surely hope Tito's soul doesn't take a peek at present day NAM & what a mere disfunctional formality it has become.

http://www.slobodnajugoslavija.com/graf ... pg_jpg.htm

You don't see that type of a popular reception for capitalist leaders, I wonder why...
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