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Myths about Pol Pot

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Post 30 Oct 2004, 03:38
Pol Pot was a delusional medivalist who wanted to return the nation to the state it was in thousands of years ago, and not figuratively either. He wanted to literally recreate the "great" rice empire, and in doing so killed all intellectuals. Teachers, doctors, lawyers, professors, students, and so forth were all killed.

I will be going to Cambodia next year on humanitarian aid projects. I will of course take pictures and be happy to share them with the rest of you.

But for now, this thread no longer needs to exist.
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Post 29 Aug 2005, 09:31
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As for non-agricultural workers, whilst they may have been useful, they were nonetheless sterile and parasitic in Kampuchea in the sense that their income derived ultimately from the surplus production of the agricultural sector.


How can you say such a thing - that its alright to kill hundreds of thousands of people just because of their role in Cambodia's economy?!

And refering to the above articles - who cares whether the ammount murdered was exagerated - the fact that one man would kill thousands of innocent civilians because of his paranoid delusions is totally un-defendable. While the American bombing of Cambodia is an undeniable atrocity - there is no reason to start scaling down the massacre.
It is akin to the views of Holocaust deniers.

As I was browsing the internet on Pol Pot I found this account in an article about the genocide - quite terrible:
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Executions were carried out in a number of different ways. Often victims were taken to killing fields where they were forced to kneel down in front of trenches before being killed by a blow to the head with a pickax or a shovel. At times large groups of people were shot together. Other individuals were suffocated by a plastic bag tied over their heads. Executions were also sometimes performed publicly. Some victims were beaten to death. Others were disemboweled and their livers were cooked and eaten by their killers. Whole families were often killed for the minor infractions of a single person. The Khmer Rouge did not want to leave surviving relatives who might harbor a grudge against Ankar. Infants were smashed against trees or thrown into the air and impaled on bayonets or bamboo sticks.
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Post 29 Aug 2005, 13:04
There are also several personal accounts that I have read (and posted in another thread) that discuss the Vietnamese invasion and liberation of the country. Although many of the people hold grudges against the Vietnamese because they see it as a historical thing for them to repeatedly get invaded by them, all of them say that it was by far a lesser evil than existed under Pol Pot.

Nevertheless, thank you for the articles. The idea of scaling down the attrocities and accounting for American involvement in the murders is educational.
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Post 09 Dec 2005, 10:08
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Ixabert claimed on another forum that all killings by Pol Pot's henchmen were justified. Nice. No doubt all the dead were evil revisionists or CIA operatives who deserved it then.
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Post 21 Dec 2005, 11:42
While I will vilify the Americans for their gross mistreatment of the people of Cambodia, I cannot simply disregard the tears that flowed freely from the eyes of our Khmer translators when I walked among the ruins of genocide sites as revisionist history.
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Post 28 Dec 2005, 04:04
You are a strange and deranged person, DPRK.
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Post 16 Jan 2006, 21:52
Posted by Ixabert here:

http://www.politicsforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9425

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.........I need one 500 x 300 pixels, with photos of Hussein, Pol Pot (with Skulls), Mugabe, Milosevic, and Kim Jong Il.


See a psychiatrist mate.
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Post 16 Jan 2006, 22:04
I thought this topic was about discussing Pol Pot, not finding dirt on Ix.
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Post 18 Jan 2006, 11:42
I just thought it was funny that he not only supports Pol Pot, but accepts and openly glorifies the massacres that took place.
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Post 18 Jan 2006, 12:07
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"The tree grows in the rural areas, but the fruit goes to the towns."


And that is precisely what is wrong with the so-called Red Cambodians... They failed to recognize the synergy between town and village. Sorry for my ignorance in the matter but how can a society of people who only farm develop and progress? Not that there is anything wrong with farming.. but I figured socialists liked science, education and production as well and shouldnt ignore these *vital* functions of society.
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Post 05 Mar 2006, 17:33
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As for non-agricultural workers, whilst they may have been useful, they were nonetheless sterile and parasitic in Kampuchea in the sense that their income derived ultimately from the surplus production of the agricultural sector. Hou Youn of the Khmer Rouge put it well when he said: "The tree grows in the rural areas, but the fruit goes to the towns."


Obviously you have no concept of your own ideology. Communism involves industry, that’s the reason behind programs like the four year plan and the great leap forward. Also it is impossible to have a modern society without anything besides agricultural workers. And so what, if people in the towns live off of excess food production in villages, people in villages get products and medical care that can only come from industries besides that of agriculture. Pol Pot was no communist, and nether are you.
By the way I have a question I pose to you. Sense you obviously would like it on other people, would you yourself like to live in a society without technology and medical care? Didn't think so. Also, sense your educated enough to write and post articles on this site, you would be one of the people killed first.
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Post 05 Mar 2006, 17:38
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As for non-agricultural workers, whilst they may have been useful, they were nonetheless sterile and parasitic in Kampuchea in the sense that their income derived ultimately from the surplus production of the agricultural sector. Hou Youn of the Khmer Rouge put it well when he said: "The tree grows in the rural areas, but the fruit goes to the towns."


Obviously you have no concept of your own ideology. Communism involves industry, that’s the reason behind programs like the four year plan and the great leap forward. Also it is impossible to have a modern society without anything besides agricultural workers. And so what, if people in the towns live off of excess food production in villages, people in villages get products and medical care that can only come from industries besides that of agriculture. Pol Pot was no communist, and nether are you.
By the way I have a question I pose to you. Sense you obviously would like it on other people, would you yourself like to live in a society without technology and medical care? Didn't think so. Also, sense your educated enough to write and post articles on this site, you would be one of the people killed first. By the way, its not much of a surprise to me that someone who likes Pol Pot, would have pictures other murdering bastards such as Saddam, and Kim Il Gong. I also am pretty sure you are not really in the capital of north Korea.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 04 Jan 2003, 22:40
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Post 05 Mar 2006, 20:42
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And that is precisely what is wrong with the so-called Red Cambodians... They failed to recognize the synergy between town and village. Sorry for my ignorance in the matter but how can a society of people who only farm develop and progress? Not that there is anything wrong with farming.. but I figured socialists liked science, education and production as well and shouldnt ignore these *vital* functions of society.


It's not entirely accurate to say that the Khmer Rouge wanted a totally agricultural society... there is some evidence to suggest that they were planning to develop heavy industry some time after 1980, and they kept factories in Phnom Penh running albeit in slave-like conditions. A few survivor accounts mention DK officials discussing the creation of a modern industrial society, as well.

Their big agricultural goal was to have 3 or 4 rice harvests per year. This was supposed to somehow lead to the eventual construction of industry. It isn't really possible to do this, but they tried to through the massive construction of irrigation canals and dams. They were poorly constructed despite offers of Chinese aid. So everyone was kicked out into the countryside in an attempt to get this done within a few years, and then they would proceed on to the next phase of their development strategy. It's not hard to see how this could go wrong.

There was some odd obsession with Khmer history involved as well. Pol Pot and co. apparently idolized the Angkor empire, which existed about 700 years before and was known for some huge irrigation project and these mythical huge rice harvests. Some visitors to DK reported that they had seen pictures of the Angkor Wat temple complex hanging in government buildings, similar to the way other communist states would hang pictures of Marx or someone else.

It's really a bizarre yet fascinating country. If anyone is interested in the minutiae of this regime, find a copy of Ben Kiernan's The Pol Pot Regime: Race, Power and Genocide in Cambodia 1975-1979.
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Post 22 May 2006, 09:11
the khmer rouge was a demented despotic murderous group. need more evidence? here is another myth debunked. myth: the US opposed the khmer rouge at all costs. fact: the CIA supported the Khmer Rouge from the time of the Viet Nam intervention in cambodia, and frankly you cant really like both viet nam and cambodia it seems to me.

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 26 Jul 2006, 10:21
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Post 27 Feb 2007, 00:20
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Also, sense your educated enough to write and post articles on this site, you would be one of the people killed first.


QFT.

Anyone who was deemed literate was purged. I wonder how they were planning on forwarding their society...


DPRK:

Pol Pot's system was in such a disarray that the Vietnamese attack which was supposed to be an COUNTER INCURSION, ended up becoming an ousting!

Granted, Pol Pot took over Cambodia during a tough time, and he faced lots of hardship due to AMerican bombs...but so did Ho Chi Minh. But HO Chi Minh's Vietnam turned out fine.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 27 Nov 2007, 22:25
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Post 04 Dec 2007, 00:15
Pol Pot attacked Vietnam first by burning down their villages. Vietnamese responded to this invasion by a counter assault in which they defeated the tyrant his regime and replaced it by a socialist government.

PS: USSR supported Vietnam, while China and USA aided Pol Pot in this war. USA wanted revenge for the Vietnam war and China wanted to weaken Vietnam to take it over.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 30 Nov 2007, 08:37
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Post 04 Dec 2007, 10:08
Vietnam received ridiculous amounts of Soviet military aid to fight against the U.S. Cambodia didn't enjoy this luxury.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 04 Aug 2007, 23:25
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Post 18 Dec 2007, 17:11
I think taht much about Pol Pot is unknown.
There are many strange things about his life: first he is a very progressive leader who fights against the tyranny of Lon Nol and against the Americans who bomb his country, and when he's in power, he kills thousands of people and destroys Cambodjan culture.
And when he's beaten by Vientnamese Communists (War between communists, why?) he escapes with more than 10.000 followers.
Where the hell did he get those if he was a bloody dictator?
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 02 Mar 2004, 15:19
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Post 18 Dec 2007, 18:12
People can be enlisted into many movements, *even* "bad" ones. Hitler attracted many and he was a "bloody dictator".
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 10 Sep 2006, 22:05
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Post 18 Dec 2007, 19:43
What happened to the first post?


Also if it comes down to Vietnam or Cambodia, I'm gonna choose the one that didn't murder droves and droves of people.
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