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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 16 Jul 2014, 21:53
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Post 25 Jul 2014, 22:05
You cannot resist, you feel the urge to answer my posts, because if they go unanswered, the "proletariat" (other readers of this forum) can be convinced by them. Simultaneously, you cannot find a good and definitive answer.

So, what can be done ? Shoot the messenger !

He is a narcisist ! (how come he think that we are wrong ? does he think he is special ?)

[as a side note i cannot find anything more narcisistic than to think you and your group are entitled to rule the world and lead the proletariat just because you know something that the proletariat dont]

He is a lunatic !
He is egothistical !
Hes writting style is bad !
I cannot read his posts !

Etc. All kinds of attacks on the messenger and not the message.

There are two course of actions you can take now (because i know how stalinists work):

Find a lame excuse with the moderators to ban me forever (effectively sending me to Siberia)

or

(the one i hope) find someone who can eloquently refute my posts.
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Post 25 Jul 2014, 22:13
AldoBrasil wrote:
Nope, i am just mocking at you because you dont know how to answer yet pretend you know.

I'm answering you right now, douchebag. And as we've all said, seriously, we've all answered things like this countless times. We're tired of repeating ourselves and your stream-of-consciousness messages flat-out don't invite it.

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- Your post is incomprehensible (Maybe my posts are just ok but you dont want to understand, or having understood, dont want to accept).
- You think your post is original (with a USA redneck accent - as if i win anything from posting here something original)
- You are babbling (denial mode on)

Or maybe, just maybe, what everyone else is saying is right and your posts are rambling, incoherent, go off on ten billion tangents per paragraph. Maybe people legitimately do find that annoying and don't want to waste their time picking through it bit by bit, when there's absolutely no structure. Maybe you could learn something from that.

And now you're trying to belittle us to deflect criticism. Y'know, you could just write more coherently, but instead you start whining and insulting the intelligence of everyone around you because you can't handle even the slightest criticism. Basically, a petulant narcissistic ass.

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Yes, but you cannot leave fundamental tasks to do later, because as Stalin shows, as as soon as a new class of rulers are placed in power, they will fight and repress the proletariat to avoid losing power to the people.

What "people"? "The people" isn't a class, it's a vaguely-defined word for everyone. And everyone doesn't always agree.

I'd also argue Stalin, while a bureaucratic socialist presiding over a deformed workers' state (and needlessly socially conservative to boot), didn't repress the proletariat. He was a member of it, as were his inner circle; they weren't members of the bourgeoisie. It was still a workers state. Its class character didn't change, it merely stagnated.

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Dealing with the world as it is means dealing with the fact that people love power and go whatever means to keep it.

It also means that sometimes, like when there's a massive Civil War right on your doorstep and the attempt at getting a first-world power (Germany) on your side completely fell through, you can't pick the most perfect option. To preserve the gains of the revolution, you have to pick out of the realistic options available to you. Having a perfectly direct democracy right away wasn't one under those circumstances.

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You cannot resist, you feel the urge to answer my posts, because if they go unanswered, the "proletariat" (other readers of this forum) can be convinced by them.

Seriously, we really don't care that much. We're all on this forum in-between binge-watching shows and gaming/eating/napping/masturbation/whatever sessions. You're not leading some revolution by posting here.

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He is a narcisist ! (how come he think that we are wrong ? does he think he is special ?)

Except you explicitly said we're rejecting your debate because it's "of a higher nature." Among all kinds of other comments that pretty clearly show you think you're better than everyone. Not to mention an irrational persecution complex is itself a hallmark of narcissism.

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He is a lunatic !
He is egothistical !
Hes writting style is bad !
I cannot read his posts !

All legit criticisms, by the way. Every last one of them.

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(the one i hope) find someone who can eloquently refute my posts.

Cool, then show some consideration for others first. Post in a way that doesn't immediately overwhelm people with a barrage of ramblings all over the place. Organize it by salient points. Anyone can do it, and it makes replying a much less tedious process.

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[as a side note i cannot find anything more narcisistic than to think you and your group are entitled to rule the world and lead the proletariat just because you know something that the proletariat dont]

And we've gone over the practical reasons why that's a necessity, your response has basically just amounted to "but... but... we need to educate the masses more!" Which is exactly the job of a vanguard party. You, yourself, said there will be workers who have more class consciousness than others, and that people can hold biases that don't actually benefit them. Guess what that leads to?
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Post 25 Jul 2014, 22:44
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As for the female playable character, I'm really hoping the WWII-era Boss game happens. That'd fix it, and she's awesome.


I never gave it much thought but now it seems inevitable. The Boss is probably the most important Metal Gear figure. If they were to add a female playable, it most definitely would have to be her.



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It's only really in Peace Walker, so that's not really that surprising.
If you played that though, it's all over the place. It's to the point where, even as a card-carrying commie, you'd wish they'd stop rambling about what Che did in every cutscene.


Everybody loves Che, not that surprising in Japan. By the by, the Japanese communist party is one of the largest non-ruling in the world with more than 300,000 members.


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For me, the only game novels I've read have been KotOR-related; I read Revan and actually loved it. Honestly 90% of what I play are RPGs in general, so that's what I mainly focus on. For a non-RPG to catch my attention it has to have either a great storyline (like Metal Gear) or be interesting in some other way (like, I enjoyed Brutal Legend for the background music mostly).


I had to look up the novels you were talking about. I'm completely blissful to everything Star wars, I never watched I single one of the movies. More than one Star - (fill in the blank) is more than I can handle. My house's previous occupant was a gamer who left a lot of games behind with Brutal Legend being one of them. Do you have to play that game with a PS guitar?


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StarCraft II's story is great; I'm sure I's is too, but I could never get very far in it because honestly I'm horrible at RTS games (a colossal misnomer, they're all tactics and no strategy). I just try to overwhelm the enemy with a ton of random troops, the "zerg rush" tactic, and get killed every time because of it.


The game's strategy comes in macro play when deciding on what kind of economy you want to go with, and depends on what scout information you're able to attain. Anyway the game is probably the most difficult of all time to master. Pro Korean players have been training for more than ten years. I remember watching Koreans play in the Intel Extreme Masters tournaments in Kiev, God damn do they know how to work a keyboard, they fragging eat, sleep, breathe Starcraft. I played it intensively for a year trying to make the platinum league but only ever came 6th in Gold. After that I promised never to touch the game again until the 3rd expansion comes out years from now and I haven't for 2 years now thankfully. fragging game.


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Huh, I've never even heard of those. Braid sounds interesting though; what does it do to explore those, or would that be spoiling something?


Braid is a typical 2-d side scrolling puzzle solving game. But your character has the ability to control time in different ways like, reversing time to correct your mistakes, slowing and speeding up time to your advantage, sending your shadow to the future or past while you work in real time in order to accomplish a certain unified goal. The game has references to Mario, like goombas and you have to save the princess, but the actual story which is a puzzle you have to figure out is actually very mature and extremely clever. It explores these concepts sort of the way Metal Gear does, like when in the sons of liberty, the patriots AI is trying to frag with Raiden's head and at the same time trying to frag with your head as the player by making it look like the PS console is crashing or look like you've already lost when in actuality you should keep on playing. Anyway here's more if you're interested:

http://braid-game.com/
http://store.steampowered.com/app/26800/

Mark of the Ninja you might like more because it's a stealth game. You're a ninja and infiltrate enemy territory on missions. The game even though a cartoonish side scroller can get a little violent though. You can strangle an enemy and hang him from a lamp post and make his comrade watch for example. The story's straightforward. I like the game for its simplicity and for the challenges it entails in trying to figure out how to get past the enemy unnoticed. What's really original story-wise is your character's tattoos. He tattoos himself using a toxic substance that slowly seeps into his system and enhances his senses while also driving him mad as a side effect.

http://www.markoftheninja.com/
http://www.kleientertainment.com/games/ninja/
http://store.steampowered.com/app/214560/

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It's not that weird.
Bokkens are used even in basic aikido, judo, and plenty of other martial arts. Especially "internal" ones, meaning ones that rely on using an opponent's force against them instead of matching force against force. Like karate, muay thai, which tend to be purely hand-and-feet-based, because using a sword in a style like that would mean badly injuring and possibly killing your sparring partner. In something like aikido or judo, you'd probably start practicing with them a few weeks in. Getting to use a real (non-wooden) sword like a wakizashi is a rare treat in advanced sessions, usually, and generally tightly-controlled for obvious safety reasons. Dodging a sword is fun, getting your arm sliced off isn't. xD

Also, it's not kendo, which is pretty rarely practiced in the West. Usually it's grappling and dodging instead of actually swinging the swords at each-other. One person is swinging, the other is grabbing the sword and dodging it and trying to knock the person swinging to the ground.


I didn't think it was weird but I was surprised not for any other reason than I've never known anyone who trained in actual martial arts before. I just thought it was pretty cool to be honest. I always wanted learn with a bokken. I'm mostly ignorant on martial arts. It's all very cool and interesting.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 16 Jul 2014, 21:53
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Post 25 Jul 2014, 22:45
Pls illuminate me where i posted that certain characteristics of certain forists disallows me to debate with them.

I know i dont like Stalinista (and i said earlier). But did i refuse or try to find excuses to not debate with him ?

Nope. But thats exactly what you have done. No one will ever like everybody (its impossible, and its harder when you are in a minority inside a group that is a minority).

Actually, he might very well be a good person to talk to etc, just happens that i dont like the way he argues.

But i repeat, i never tried to find excuses not to debate. But you done so. All the last 2 pages of posts in this threads are a series of excuses to stop the debate without looking as if you dont have an answer.

And them you both started to discuss about metal gear, as if you are trying to find a way to bury the debate.
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Post 25 Jul 2014, 22:49
@AldoBrasil

I was 3/4 finished with a response to your side note about Stalin but then you posted your long manifesto so I decided to save draft my response for another day. There's no way I can respond to something like that. I never go that far with debates online and I didn't want to go around typing and posting in a loop. That's something I'd rather do in person over a bottle. I understand your stance and that's enough for me, I just don't happen to agree with it that's all. There's no conspiracy here. We're all just talking. Take it anyway you want. I'll concede defeat if that's what you want. You need to calm down though. This forum is not a competition.

You're taking things too personal.
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Post 25 Jul 2014, 22:51
I am perfectly calm. I am used to long heated debates. You people are the ones that actually look not used to debate. You keep insulting and finding excuses, instead of concentrating on the arguments.
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Post 25 Jul 2014, 23:10
I'll be honest, I liked AldoBrasil's posts (him having some thoughts which I've never read on this forum)... When you criticise someone for not organizing his argument well enough you are only really saying "I don't care", nothing else. Its a bit rude.
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Post 25 Jul 2014, 23:14
Yeqon wrote:
I never gave it much thought but now it seems inevitable. The Boss is probably the most important Metal Gear figure. If they were to add a female playable, it most definitely would have to be her.

Yeah; since she trained Big Boss, she kind of got the whole series' events moving. A World War II setting would also be pretty interesting, and there's a lot to explore between her and the rest of the Cobra Unit. EVA's story intersects too much with Big Boss', she wouldn't make as compelling a protagonist as The Boss.

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Everybody loves Che, not that surprising in Japan. By the by, the Japanese communist party is one of the largest non-ruling in the world with more than 300,000 members.

Of course they do. ^~ And I know, after playing Peace Walker I actually looked to see if Hideo Kojima is a member. There's no evidence at all that he is, and it's a CPUSA-style eurocommunist party nowadays, but they've still exerted a strong influence.

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The game's strategy comes in macro play when deciding on what kind of economy you want to go with, and depends on what scout information you're able to attain. Anyway the game is probably the most difficult of all time to master. Pro Korean players have been training for more than ten years. I remember watching Koreans play in the Intel Extreme Masters tournaments in Kiev, God damn do they know how to work a keyboard, they fragging eat, sleep, breathe Starcraft. I played it intensively for a year trying to make the platinum league but only ever came 6th in Gold. After that I promised never to touch the game again until the 3rd expansion comes out years from now and I haven't for 2years now thankfully. fragging game.

...I put the game on hiatus at level 7. It's not like anyone actually came in trying to attack my base, but everyone kept rebuilding theirs in the off-time when I tried to smash them. And even if I tried sending in wave after wave of forces, they were too well-defended and would kill them all. Playing against a real person must be even worse, I have no idea how y'all do it.


As for the games, thanks for the description. I'll definitely try them both out. I'm a lot more familiar with stealth games and infiltrating the enemy as a ninja sounds pretty fun, but Braid's story sounds really interesting. Also, Mario references are always welcome. So I might just check that one out first.

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I didn't think it was weird but I was surprised not for any other reason than I've never known anyone who trained in actual martial arts before. I just thought it was pretty cool to be honest. I always wanted learn with a bokken. I'm mostly ignorant on martial arts. It's all very cool and interesting.

Thank you. ^^ I love martial arts, even if I got into it as an 8th grade anime nerd and took aikido because I wanted to be like a Rurouni Kenshin character (it's basically what's used in the show).

If you want to learn with a bokken, I definitely suggest something like aikido or judo. Aikido uses swords more often, so if you just want that, it's a great option; especially if you can't find something more purely sword-based like kendo or jodo (not to be confused with judo). But judo is more useful for all-purpose tournament fighting and for a guy it's seen as less "girly" so for you it has that going for it, plus its grappling is about as practically useful as aikido's (though for actual self-defense nothing beats krav maga). Aikido is only really used in special aikido tournaments, since stylistically it doesn't match well with other commonly-used martial arts. That's not to say it's worthless against them, it can be pretty effective, just that it up against karate for example would involve 2 people doing diametrically different things and someone's (probably the less experienced or smaller person's) bones will get broken. Since both are designed for tournament fighting more than anything, they're kept separated. It'd probably match well with other purely-internal martial arts, but here taichiquan is mostly a series of breathing exercises and nobody's heard of xinyiquan or baguazhan.

Judo has absorbed more external martial art traits, it's usually seen as pretty in-between the two, so it meshes better with things like karate and is used much more often in general martial arts tournaments because of it. Actually most people in them use it or Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu (actually a revised version of judo) as a grappling art, and certain styles of karate or muay thai or American boxing as a sparring one.

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But i repeat, i never tried to find excuses not to debate. But you done so. All the last 2 pages of posts in this threads are a series of excuses to stop the debate without looking as if you dont have an answer.

Because, as we all know, it's so important to debate with you. When you show up in a thread and deign to grace us with your presence it's such a pressing, important matter. And you should never listen to the reasons people cite for doing things like stopping a debate, because you're so much more brilliant, so superior, and we all know those are just "excuses" to hide from your brilliance.

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And them you both started to discuss about metal gear, as if you are trying to find a way to bury the debate.

Or, y'know, maybe it's a series of games we enjoy. It started with Yeqon talking about my avatar, which is from Metal Gear Solid 3. For someone who hates Stalin, you sure share his paranoia.
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Post 25 Jul 2014, 23:22
1. You write like shit, end of story. It's not because you're too good for us and we need a way to dodge your intellectual superiority.

2. You were asked to clarify your positions for the sake of debate and the thread, to reiterate what you had been saying over a bunch of awfully written replies (as you're not the OP).
3. You halfheartedly did then ended that debate, insisting people sort through the mess.
4. Sleep in the bed you made.
5. Learn to quote.

I've never asked anyone on this forum for a tl;dr, btw. You write like you're 10.
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Post 25 Jul 2014, 23:23
*ENOUGH*

This is a long mess of off topic conversations (somehow including a long conversation on a NES game...), personal attacks and literature style complaining.
This thread is locked. It might be splitted to save some parts, but really... have you all forgotten how to post outside Mir?


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