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Achievements of the dear (departed) leader

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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 07 Dec 2013, 14:24
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Post 07 Dec 2013, 14:42
Can any communist leader living or dead top the achievements of Kim Jon-il?

According to the DPKR official sources his birth was fortold by a swallow and was marked by a double rainbow and a new star in the sky.
From such a beginning it was inevitable that he began walking at three weeks old and could talk at eight weeks old.

But, if this was not impressive enough lets look at what he managed to acheive in his lifetime.

1) Whilst studying at university he was able to write 1500 books in 3 years. That is 10 books a week! Or roughly 1.5 per day.

2) He wrote six operas, which were better than anything anyone had previoisly written!

3) He also staged numerous musicals and wrote and directed countless feature films.

4) In 1988, at the age of 47, he won gold medals at EVERY event in the Seoul olympics. This is despite North Korea boycotting them.

5) On his first game of golf he recorded a score of thirty-eight under par, a World record that has yet to be surpassed. 11 of them were hole-in-one. This is beyond doubt at several of the body guards who were there that day have testified to this.

6) He invented the hamburger

7) Was a leader in World-wife fashion trends

Had the ability to control the weather

9) Ran the entire country from top to bottom never once stopping to go to the tiolet.

Yet death comes to us all and when he succumbed to it a fierce snowstorm paused, perhaps in awe of his achievements, and the sky glowed red about the the sacred North Korean Mount Paektu, which it would.

At the time of writing his successor his son, Kim Jong-un does not seem to done anything to rival his fathers achievements but there is time yet. Perhaps he will invent the hot dog and score the winning goal for North Korea in next years World cup final?
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Post 09 Dec 2013, 20:44
Number nine is ironic as your whole diatribe is also based on a great man conception of the Kims. Although almost all anti-DPRK (read: pro-liberal/imperialist) commentators are afflicted by this fallacious mindset.

Oh wait I'm sorry guys the evil northern Korea is forcing everyone to worship the Kims for the sole purpose of keeping leadership positions that offer less in benefits than a US House Member. Oh wait that's because the Kims are crazy hermit monarchs with diabolical desires to pervert Marxism.
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Defected to the U.S.S.R.: 07 Dec 2013, 14:24
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Post 09 Dec 2013, 22:16
Anyone with a heart and brain is anti-DPRK. It's a hellhole that people are trying to escape from not too. If you love it so much why not go and live there? I'm sure you'd find plenty there who would swap places with you.
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Post 10 Dec 2013, 00:18
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Oh wait I'm sorry guys the evil northern Korea is forcing everyone to worship the Kims for the sole purpose of keeping leadership positions that offer less in benefits than a US House Member. Oh wait that's because the Kims are crazy hermit monarchs with diabolical desires to pervert Marxism.


Although you are being sarcastic here I largely agree with it. The fact that the DPRK recently removed all references to Marxism and communism from its constitution as well as removing the portraits of Marx and Lenin from Kim Il Sung square should give you an indication of just how committed they are to Marxism these days.
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Post 10 Dec 2013, 05:23
They're not driven by a diabolical desire to pervert Marxism but by a very human desire to stabilize their standard of living. Also why the frag didn't you ban me when I asked you to?
"Don't know why i'm still surprised with this shit anyway." - Loz
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Post 10 Dec 2013, 12:09
With ¼ of its budget going to the military and its lack of individuality it is a fascist regime. Those that love it what is stopping you from moving there? Hey I’ll help you pack.
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Post 10 Dec 2013, 19:44
Telling people to go someplace you think is bad "if they think it is so great" is a shit argument used by people with nothing to really say. But since you can't see value in keeping your people from being whored out like in the ROK to foreigners, I guess that shitty argument is the least of your worries.

@gred: they'd be way better off if they went capitalist outright. If they played it right they could even retain their present positions. The DPRK system is far from ideal (but what isn't amirite?) but clearly it keeps the Kims and the DPRK military leadership from becoming Russia-style oligarchs.
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Post 10 Dec 2013, 22:42
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@gred: they'd be way better off if they went capitalist outright. If they played it right they could even retain their present positions. The DPRK system is far from ideal (but what isn't amirite?) but clearly it keeps the Kims and the DPRK military leadership from becoming Russia-style oligarchs.


They would be better under capitalism (and I mean South Korean-style capitalism, not Russian oligarchism). Capitalism is a necessary stage of production and the northern part of Korea needs to make use of it in order to develop its means of production. At the moment the Kims just impose the relic of a Cold War system (that could only function properly with Soviet aid) in order to maintain their position at the top.
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Post 10 Dec 2013, 23:35
Stagism is bullshit bro. And explain how selling out the last remaining social benefits of living in the DPRK for a consumer society is progressive. That is there isn't a bourgeoisie in North Korea so why should they build one (which could only result in Russian oligarch type rule)?
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Post 11 Dec 2013, 10:07
They don't need to creat a bourgeoisie, they've already got a ruling royal family to support; the kims!
His old man ran up an £800 000 cognac bill whilst the population was starving to death.
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Post 11 Dec 2013, 10:40
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And explain how selling out the last remaining social benefits of living in the DPRK for a consumer society is progressive.

What social benefits? Two handfuls of rice per day for which you have to work like a slave otherwise you'd be taken to prison for being a "parasite"? Democracy is necessarily more progressive than autocracy and military dictatorship.
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Post 11 Dec 2013, 11:06
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What social benefits? Two handfuls of rice per day for which you have to work like a slave otherwise you'd be taken to prison for being a "parasite"? Democracy is necessarily more progressive than autocracy and military dictatorship.[/quote]


How can a regime with a ‘military first’ policy be considered progressive?
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Post 12 Dec 2013, 00:34
Dagoth Ur wrote:
Stagism is bullshit bro. And explain how selling out the last remaining social benefits of living in the DPRK for a consumer society is progressive. That is there isn't a bourgeoisie in North Korea so why should they build one (which could only result in Russian oligarch type rule)?


I'd be very cautious about claiming that there isn't at least a strong petty bourgeoisie in the DPRK. Don't forget that like half the economic activity of the country happens on the black market. Their planned economy isn't much more than a sad farce at this point. I have nothing to prove to you that there is a big bourgeoisie, but I certainly wouldn't rule out the possibility that a portion of the north Korean petty bourgeois have achieved a position where they live exclusively from exploiting other people's labor. Even if they don't own means of production, they can still be commercial capitalists.

Also the political regime of the DPRK is already much worse than Russian oligarch type rule. At least the Russians play the parliamentary game, even though they don't care much about its rules.
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Post 12 Dec 2013, 20:01
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Stagism is bullshit bro. And explain how selling out the last remaining social benefits of living in the DPRK for a consumer society is progressive. That is there isn't a bourgeoisie in North Korea so why should they build one (which could only result in Russian oligarch type rule)?


Social benefits does not equal socialism (or even attempted socialism). Just because people get a few bags of rice every month from the government (amount depending on one's songbun - social status system within the DPRK) doesn't mean that this is better than capitalism.

North Korea needs to do what China has done.
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Post 12 Dec 2013, 22:21
gRed Britain wrote:

Social benefits does not equal socialism (or even attempted socialism). Just because people get a few bags of rice every month from the government (amount depending on one's songbun - social status system within the DPRK) doesn't mean that this is better than capitalism.

North Korea needs to do what China has done.


You were doing so well until the last sentence


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